Singur and West Bengal, are you listening
Some years back Tata Steel ran a creative ad campaign with a cryptic slogan: ‘We also make steel’. It claimed, quite legitimately, that apart from its main business activity, the company also ran the best-managed industrial township in Jamshedpur, encouraged sports and supported other corporate social responsibility initiatives. In other words, steel-making was sought to be projected almost as a byproduct of the company’s larger commitment to the nation.
In the context of the Tata Group’s proposed investments in West Bengal and Bangladesh, I am tempted to speculate: if the road blocks to these investments are cleared, and the Tatas set up the small-car plant in Singur and the steel-power-fertiliser complex in Bangladesh, might these enterprises some day prove to be byproducts of a larger endeavour, namely, economic reintegration of the two divided halves of Bengal?
This possibility is within the grasp of the people and politicians of India, especially of West Bengal, and Bangladesh, to close the chapter of artificial division and open a new one of cooperation and co-prosperity. Yes, it is within our grasp if only we care to listen to the great call of 21st-century Asia and also to the centuries-old music of the spiritual-cultural-social unity of Bengalis on both sides of the border.
It is not difficult to know why some sections of Bangladesh’s political and intellectual establishment — since its creation in 1971, the country has received only $3 billion of FDI — have fiercely opposed the Tatas’ offer to invest nearly $3 billion in the country’s core industrial sectors. The main reason lies in the rise of anti-India sentiments, stoked by the rising power of foreign-funded Islamist forces. These forces are also the principal opponents of India-Bangladesh cooperation to harness the latter’s considerable natural gas reserves. India-locked on three sides, Bangladesh simply cannot use its natural gas except within a framework of cooperation with India. Yet there is an entrenched mindset in Bangladesh that resists such a move.
What is appalling, however, is to see that some forces in our own Bengal seem determined to keep it industrially underdeveloped, economically stagnant and thus incapable of opening new avenues of employment and wealth-creation. Until recently the communists themselves were responsible for Bengal’s de-industrialisation. But now that the CPM has finally realised its mistake, its opponents are using the traditional communist methods to oppose a project that promises to become the harbinger of the state’s re-industrialisation.
How ironic. With due respect to Mamata Banerjee, who is spearheading the opposition to Singur, I have to say that her agitation militates against both West Bengal’s immediate interests and India’s long-term interests. She has many admirable qualities, but if she wants to be taken seriously as the potential successor to Buddhadeb Bhattacharjee, she has to look beyond her party’s rural base for the next panchayat elections. She must expand her vision to see the big opportunity that India has not only to accelerate economic growth in our eastern and northeastern states, but also to pull our estranged eastern neighbour into a new paradigm of sub-regional cooperation, which alone can make Tagore’s dream of ‘Amaar Shonaar Bangla’ for undivided Bengal come true.
Today, regional and sub-regional cooperation is the axis around which the wheel of economic growth is turning. The nay-sayers to new investments in West Bengal and Bangladesh should glance eastwards to see how this wheel has turned in the direction of poverty alleviation, employment generation and shared prosperity. Not long ago, undivided Bengal was more advanced than several countries in Southeast and Far East Asia. Kolkata itself was ahead of Shanghai. Today, if Malaysia, Thailand, Indonesia, South Korea and, lately, even Vietnam, have left West Bengal and Bangladesh far behind, it is primarily because they
realised the virtue of economic cooperation. Fifty-five per cent of Asia\\'s trade is now within the region, and this figure is rapidly rising. No wonder, America and Europe have had to confront the truth, which was unimaginable earlier: their domination of the world’s economy, and hence politics, is nearing an end.
Every vibrant centre of enterprise has a demonstration effect on the neighbourhood, eventually leading to a symbiotic way of collective growth. Thus, Singapore spurred Malaysia’s success. Japan’s miracle influenced China, and today China’s growth sustains the Japanese economy. In spite of the political problems between the two neighbours, today there are 35,000 Japanese companies operating in China, employing 10 million Chinese. There are also 100,000 Japanese working in China. Goods and capital are moving almost freely here. The Asean and East Asian region have been transformed into an integrated manufacturing plant, in which some components are made in one country, others in another country and the final product is assembled in and exported from a third country. Can we not envision a similar transformation in our eastern region? Is it impossible that an economically vibrant West Bengal will not open the eyes of Bangladeshis, just as the success of Narendra Modi’s ‘Vibrant Gujarat’ initiatives have opened the eyes of many communists, whether they admit it or not?
What India and Bangladesh need are visionary leaders in politics, business and public life. Leaders who refuse to live in the past and are determined enough to script a new future for our children whose grandparents were, after all, once part of the single family of undivided India. In this endeavour to re-integrate our two countries economically and socially, we should learn from the EU. Last week some Auroville-based European devotees of Maharshi Aurobindo organised a seminar in honour of Jean Monnet, a French statesman regarded as the architect of European unity. From the ashes of World War II, he extricated the golden idea of economic cooperation. He began with something as mundane as establishing the European Coal and Steel Community with Germany and France, bitter rivals in the war, as its core members. The idea evolved and engendered the EU. It now has 27 member-countries, which have broken down walls that divided them in the 20th century. Shouldn’t India and Bangladesh pull down the ‘narrow domestic walls’ keeping them apart to the detriment of both?
365 comments:
1 – 200 of 365 Newer› Newest»It is an excellent article for the likes of Mamata Banerjee, Trinumul Congress (so called) leaders and her Coterie. This beautiful article painting future realization should be personall sent to few journalists like Barun Sengupta of "Bartamann".
As has been pointed out people like Mamata Banerjee, Barun Sengupta etc. are ruining the future generation Bengalis.
Hope they are able to realise their mistake.
One thing the reader has avaoided saying.For any type of industrialisation,there are no needs to lie to this extent.Most of the CPM leaders have lied from the very begining of this project and lately it was proved how they are more interested in "Secret Trade or Trade secret" with the industrialists rather than proper industrialisation.In the case of Ashok Todi,it was proved once again.It is unfortunate that our friends,rather than understanding the lies told by Budhdha Babus party,are busy thinking what mistakes others are doing.This left party has brainwashed people in such a way that they have closed their eyes to all their lies and believe whatever these leaders say.
Surendra Kulkarni said that "Some forces wants to keep bengal underdeveloped".From where did he get this data?Who has said they are against industrialisation?Who has said that they will oppose if industries come up in barren lands and without dislacating any people?Actually people like Kulkarni are also brainwashed by this leftisit party and have lost the guts to raise these questions.KIndly name any individual who has said that there cannot be any industry on barren lands provded all the other norms are maintained.Why Mr Kulkarni has never mentioned about the number of lies these leftisit ministers said?(Mr Biman Bose even had to appologise to Ms Medha Patekar for saying a lie about her).
Please speak about facts and not your own emotions.
I'm very much shocked to see that according to Mr. Kulkarni "some forces in our own Bengal seem determined to keep it industrially underdeveloped"..........!
What is Development? For whom development is needed? Is it only for TATA & BUDHDHA Co? Should we forget the supreme value of mankind in the name of so called DEVELOPMENT? One should have the right to live.And when the Govt of West Bengal is trying to steal the basic fundamental rights of Villagers of Singur,they are fighting for their life. Already 7 villegers has sacrificed their lives still they have not surrendered. Every civilized and sensitive person is supporting them.
Does Mr. Kulkarni know about Tapasi Mallick, a 16 years old girl, protesting ageinst forceable land acquisition, raped and killed by those, who according to Mr. Kulkarni, are in favour of DEVELOPMENT. Does Mr. Kulkarni support them? Does he think this is the proper way of DEVELOPMENT. Does he think without support of common people DEVELOPMENT can be achieved?
Lol, for a old man, you sure seem to lack knowledge!
Mr Kulkarni & his likes forget that increase in GDP & GNP does not neceessarily mean development of a nation. The burning question can not be avoided, 'Development for whom at the cost of whom & how many?'The left hypocrats raised this question in case of Chandrababu Naidu's programmes.Now they are telling private investment will facilitate socialism. Ha ha hee hee.
This is an excellent article but if you take a look at the responses you have got, you will realize that no one can stop my fellow Bengalis from being excellent Kalidas-s. i.e. people who are apt to cut down the branch they sit on. We have one of the most responsible corporate houses in the country trying to setup a plant that has provenly (in Chennai and in Uttarakhand) changed the economic climate of the region, yet the agenda is hijacked by political gains. I guess this will continue till we as Bengalis start appreciating that the creation of wealth is as much an achievement as other pursuits in life. Pray why should industries come to barren land in West Bengal when they have other pastures to develop ? Pray why will Tatas want to develop a factory in remote Purulia when it makes business sense to be closer to Calcutta. If the compensation needs to be redone, let it be so. But why stop the project ?
The left govt bungled during land acquisition but that does not make this project unviable.The politics of Bengal, specially Mamata Banerjee .. is making Bengalis ashamed. She is now fighting for farmer's right. True its farmer's right to tilt the land. But if she was serious, she would ask for more compensation from Govt or Jobs. But she is hellbent to stop this project. Just 'cause if there is no project then she can show voters that Govt has done nothing and she can add votes in elections. Mr Abby do not know there is a confidentiality clause in any contract. If Govt disclose it, Govt is liable to be prosecuted for fraud. Ms Mamata knows this very well so she keeps saying she needs to see the agreement. Then TMC is saying there are 400 Acres land available nearby for the vendor park. But when Govt wanted to see the land, they said that it could only be shown only after you return land. How can vendors move to new place if they do not see the area? Also does she know something called JIT which is yrs old concept called Just-in Time. But readers rest assure nothing can be done here, TMC will keep protesting for any development project in Bengal.Can anyone tell me any successful project under TMC leadership in Bengal. They already have MP, MLA, Panchayats with them for last 5 years. Have they done something new???? Or they are also becoming a new avatar of so called LEFT FRONT?
Many comments have been posted which basically are dependent upon a misinformation that the acquired land in Singur is a very fertile agricultural land. But in reality the lands are mostly low lying areas with complains of water logging and inundation of canal water. The crops were mainly potato and other rabi crops. The farmers suffered huge losses in the production of potatoes over consecutive years. However, there is no denying the fact that the main occupation of the inhabitants of Singur is agriculture. The change in land prices in the vicinity of acquired land in Singur has been a factor of grievance to the already paid out earstwhile landowners. There should not be any problem if there were some commitments from the Tatas that the inhabitants would be considered for jobs on priority basis.The political mileage which the Trinamool Congress have gained out of this Singur issue is merely due to the indecisive and "giving under pressure" character of our beloved Chief Minister.
Many comments have been posted which basically are dependent upon a misinformation that the acquired land in Singur is a very fertile agricultural land. But in reality the lands are mostly low lying areas with complains of water logging and inundation of canal water. The crops were mainly potato and other rabi crops. The farmers suffered huge losses in the production of potatoes over consecutive years. However, there is no denying the fact that the main occupation of the inhabitants of Singur is agriculture. The change in land prices in the vicinity of acquired land in Singur has been a factor of grievance to the already paid out earstwhile landowners. There should not be any problem if there were some commitments from the Tatas that the inhabitants would be considered for jobs on priority basis.The political mileage which the Trinamool Congress have gained out of this Singur issue is merely due to the indecisive and "giving under pressure" character of our beloved Chief Minister.
TATA MOTORS SINGUR project, A Non-Political view
1. If the 400 acres of land is now given back to the farmers, will it remain same fertile as before?
2. As the land nature has got changed due to the construction work in it's viscinity, if TATA's leave the project will the land come to use for any farmers?
3. As now it's too late to get those land back & make it fertile for cultivation, why the people can't demand that they should be relocated in the nearby with fertile lands of same area along with other compensation packages?
4. Some people are saying that this project is only an assembling project but do they know that the project also has production unit inside & in the present scenario of the world market, no automobile industry is self-sufficient with it's own unit from production to assembling?
5. Some political parties are saying that the TATA group will do nothing for the rural development. Can anyone show any political party which has done more than the TATA Group to help the rural people & neighbouring citizens of their industrial area as well as for the rural community? please be aware that the TATA group runs a City named Jamshedpur which has no Corporation, Municipality & neither any Tri-tier panchayat as local administration & TATA group has set up a separate company JUSCO for the utility services of the city & the Income index of the citizens of Jamshedpur is the 3rd in the country much above the metro cities.
6. Some people are thinking that the Threats of leaving the Project by TATA Group is baseless & they will not be moving out due to their huge investment. Is it so? Please do not forget that they had moved away from Gopalpur due to the political issues after investing 150 crs. & till date has not returned DESPITE repeated requests from all Political parties & Government of the State.
NOW IT'S UP TO THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE - WHAT THEY WANT - INDUSTRY GROUP RANKED 5TH IN WORLD FOR IT'S CULTURE & SOCIAL RESPONSIBILITY, CALLED NEXT TO GOVT. IN INDIA OR RETURN TO THE PAST????
PLEASE NOTE:
Why protest against the Singur Project was stopped after January 2007 & restarted after a year & some months?
Is the reason ............ at first also other Auto Industries (Specially one) was keen to stop TATA group from launching this Budget car for the Middle Class & Now THEY are going to launch their own Budget Car in February'09 & wants to delay the NANO so that it can't come early & capture the market?
Someone can give expert comments sitting in USA b'coz if the project is dumped, they will not be affected. We will be the only affected lot missing out the oppurtunities of getting employed in our own state.
Our STATE (West Bengal not United States) will be affected & industrialization will be stopped leading to the non-prosperiety of the state.
And after few years, someone will be sitting at USA, opening the internet & telling his friends & relatives present there that, see, Politics has ruined our (?) State(?).
At the least, we are still working in our country (obviously in lieu of money) which in a micro-percentage is helping the country & duly pay the Taxes which are used for the betterment of the country........... so we feel annoyed when the politicians with their vested interests spoils our future, Not the future of those who has it secured in USA & commenting in favour of them who are spoiling our future.
Please be informed that the Rural Community of Jharkhand (Adivasis) are having the best Living Standard among all the Rural communities of INDIA as per Govt. of INDIA, due to the involvment & guidance of TATA Group. They have set up small Business Communities for Handicrafts with the financial help & guidance from TATA Group.
It is obvious that this is purely for political gains. If the TATAS pull out, it will put Bengal out of the radar of Corporates who might have invested here.. The same people who are now crying themselves hoarse for Farmers' "rights" will abandon them when there is no more political mileage to be gained...
It is obvious that this is purely for political gains. If the TATAS pull out, it will put Bengal out of the radar of Corporates who might have invested here.. The same people who are now crying themselves hoarse for Farmers' "rights" will abandon them when there is no more political mileage to be gained...
Well after reading the entire blog, I fail to understand how come an educated and accomplished man like Mr. Kulkarni can behave like one those educated fool I encounter every day. RATAN TATA would be one of the best examples
What does he mean by development, what does development mean according to him. Raping a girl who’s agitating, burning a boy of 19 who’s agitating, is that what development is according to him.
What kind of development is he hinting at???????????
One more thing I would like to ask, does taking away fertile land’s for India’s long-term development (building of industries & SEZ’s) is justification for growth and prosperity.
What kind of growth and prosperity is Mr. Kulkarni talking about, when the social fabric around which our nation is built is not there anymore? Does he have a game plan for the 150,000 farmers/ peasants / share-croppers of which only a handful would employed in this mammoth project and the other ancillary units coming next to it.
Mr. Kulkarni, if you were asked to vacate your property and house in the name of development, with no proper compensation or any other viable alternative, would you do the same.
It’s very easy to talk about development, citing examples of other countries, but remember it needs guts and a strong political will and conviction to correct wrong / imbalance prevailing in our country.
We say “India is shining”, coined by people like you and the likes of you, but how many of you have really made a difference to plight of the lowly Indian’s who cannot even afford one square meal a day.
Thank your stars it was not your son who was burnt, or your daughter who was raped and murdered, just think if it had to happen to you, what your condition would be. Ask your wife, your family, that’s all I have to say.
Do not quote on development when there’s a war in your backyard, when you have not overcome corruption, nepotism or sycophancy. Talk about the same when you know that each and every deal for development is crystal clear and CLEAN and benefiting everyone concerned. And when you have such a deal, it benefits the nation, making it stronger than ever before.
I denounce the way this Singur thing has been managed and handled; I think Mr. RATAN TATA should simply get out, and the land which has been taken forcibly be returned at any cost, and the guilty be hanged publicly.
Then only we can think of real development.
Reference last comment:August 21,2008,8:21 pm:
Let my dear "intelligent" fried tell me-
(a) How can industries be set up without acquiring land? (b) Does he have any idea about the compensation package paid by the government to the landowners?
(c) How can a nation prosper economically without industrialisation? Please give some examples.
(d) How can roads, bridges, hospitals, schools and colleges be built without acquiring lands? Should we go for barren lands in Paschim Medinipur/Bankura/ Purulia to overcome the problems. What sentimental remedies can he offer in that case to the landowners if such acquiring is required in densely populated towns and cities of West Bengal?
History of Indian economy proves that public in general has been benefit directly or indirectly when big manufacturing industries were set up. Percolating effect of development of economy amongst the local common people had always been encouraging.
It is always true that there is always a dissent among the landowners during land acquiring. It is the duty of the political parties and the intelligentsia in general to educate the people of Singur about the long term benefits of industrialisation for the sake of their next generation.
No where in the world the economic position of a small agriculturist prospered.
Mr. Anonymous seems to have derived all his information from the rallies of his party leader Ms. MB. I wonder if he has ever thought about the consequences of the TATAs abandoning the project.. Of course not.. Another "Coffee House" intellectual living in his fantasies of "Animal Farm "
Mr. Anonymous should also realise that India is now the second fastest growing economy in the world... Would he rather it werent ? The TATAs are a corporate group with a social conscience but they need to be given a chance... Mr. Anonymous sghould travel to Jamshedpur and see what the company has done for the people there... The "rapes" and "killings that he is referring to cannot be blamed on the Tatas. These are incidents due to local political squabbles, at the root of which is always MONEY. The TATAs cannot ge held responsible.. I would like to see what Ms. MB would do to uplift conditions in Singur, if the project is abandoned..
Mr. Anonymous is a rabble rouser like his icon...
What will the farmers do with the land of ancillary industries where already 35000 Cu.m (app.)has gone underground for foundations? Ms. Banerjee, sorry Dr. Banerjee (from Canada University?), may now also emerge as an expert in soil & agriculture and can change those lands into fertile once again.....
Now she has hold the hands of Mr. Amar Singh, who himself wrote to Mr.Ratan Tata on behalf of Mr. Mulayam Singh Yadav, the then CM of UP to set up this same project in their state.
Another Gem in this trade, Medha Patekar has also joined yesterday. Now can anyone tell where her voices were buried against the Dhabol, Enron Project of Maharashtra? Has she ever raised her voices against any happenings in her own state Maharashtra?
Her every agitations are always out of her own state, be it NARMADA or SINGUR. And what a co-incidence, the day she is asking TATA to leave WB, Mr. Bilas Rao Deshmukh is inviting TATA to Maharashtra.
When will Ms.Mamata Banerjee understand that these people have arrived here to snatch the TATA project to their own state in disguise of supporting her agitations?
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TATA should leave Bengal immediately. 400 acrs of land should be returned back to the unwilling land owners. But Govt. should make sure those lands are converted to farmland only and not sold to anyone at higher prices. Whatever gain Mamata Banerjee achieved in the last Panchayet electtion is alreaey lost. She may ask TATAs to give their portion of land to her on charity where she can have her own graveyard .
TATA should leave Bengal immediately. 400 acrs of land should be returned back to the unwilling land owners. But Govt. should make sure those lands are converted to farmland only and not sold to anyone at higher prices. Whatever gain Mamata Banerjee achieved in the last Panchayet electtion is alreaey lost. She may ask TATAs to give their portion of land to her on charity where she can have her own graveyard .
It is time Mamata Banerjee recieves a business degree to complement her doctorate, owing to her new expertise in this area. Many 'anonymous' people can help her get one.
It is clear that no one from either side of political spectrum in WB wants Tata Motors to leave, but many from the other states do for whatever reasons. And this is a geat opportunity for them as well.
It is very well for others to make a great commentary and judgements on the another state and its people, in the end ..self determination is what matters.
If Mr Kulkarni thinks that civilised people also think that way then may be there is a reason why.
As for South East Asia, there are ahead of whole of India (why only Bengal) in the development index.
No one disputes the need to bring in investments and industrialisation.But no one should be deprived of his/her land without sanction of the law.The State govrnment seems to have erred and tried to cover it up.Principles should be of paramount importance,not exigencies.
and whoever is thinking of Bangladesh right now! Not Bengalis I am sure.
We might have been the same 60 years ago..but 60 years late we are different. Easy access to Dhakai sarees and Ilish Machch ...and some music and liternature..but beyond that...lets keep the distance.
People in Bangla have lost the spirit to fight against the evils. And thus we are having figures like Mamata coming up. In her entire political career (which started with a lie. - Doctorate from Univ. of East Georgia) there is no constructive work done but to gather people for nothing. PLEASE people of Bangla come up with a strong protest against this tpe of hooliganism and let the state prosper.
MAMATA HAVE NO IDEA IN POLITICS. AND HER MEN ARE LIKE TEA WALA,RICKSHAW WALA, ETC. HOW SHE CAN DECIDE TATA GO BACK FROM SINGUR. PROBLEM SLOVE IF GOVT. PUT MAMTA IN JAIL. PRICE OF DAILY ITEM GO'S UP. IDEAT MAMATA AND HIS PARTY.
anonymous is just PERFECT. He/She must get the "Budhdha-jibi"(or Budhdhu-jibi) award from the W.B State Govt. Perhaps anonymous also supports the killing of Tapasi Mallick! Every protester should be slaughterd brutally (as Budhdha babu tried to do in nandigram!!!!!). All, who are protesting against the most UNDEMOCRATIC CM of W.B and his forceable land acqisition policy, must be put into jails. No "TEA WALA,RICKSHAW WALA" and poor farmers should be allowed to live in W.B. Its a state of Tatas, Birlas and all YESMEN like anonymous!!!!!!
Only 1 question........if tomorrow, Budhdha & his friends want to grab the sweet home of anonymous.......certainly for the sake of "DEVELOPMENT"......& THERE MUST BE A COMPENSATION FOR RS.2-4 LAKHS.......will anonymous be sooooo generous to support MR. CM?
MAMATA - Ekta Matha Mundu Hin Abhodro Mohila .... ageo o anek Natok kore nijer EGO rekhe gachhe ... ekhono SEI EGO dekhachhe .... bole kina VOTE obdhi eta ke tene niye jabe .... Morbi Tui MORBI ... Nano gele .... CM to hobi e na ... eke bare CHIROTORE ses hoye jabi re .... Mathay ektu BUDHI AAN ... anek to boyosh holo, ar koto din lagbe ???
Sudipto tui jokhon na khete peye Morbi tokhon tui UNDEMOCRATIC CM ke nijer bari beche dibi ... ebong CM ke bhogoban bole manbi ...
Tapasi Mallick ke ke merechhe French-cut Partho ke jigyasa kor, oi beta nije oke rape kore annoner naam e chaalachhe ...
Long ago Nirod sree chowdhury wrote a book"attoghati bangali"...perhaps the essence of that book can be now be fully realized in the context of what's happening in Singur...
Let me get it straight...people here are divided in two views...one who is supporting or not supporting the nano project due to their own political inclination(and saying all the b****shit things)and people who are supporting this only for the development of bengal...and rest be assured the latter is much more in number...
Even a fool can understand that if a project of this nature comes up in bengal it is going to have a tremendous impact because its global project...but somehow we, as bengali are confused as usual...we react to the plight of the farmless farmers but still we fail to understand that there are other farmers who are not protesting!!!...all these farmers will not be looked by their saviour once Tata leaves singur...they will be left alone in their race for survival...the political party who are supporting their cause are doing this to gain a political milleage..the farmers are just being made scapegoats..
Alas !!! we are doing nothing but depriving all these farmers from their future...
However we will not understand this because we enjoy protesting...we enjoy venting our own frustration upon others...and like kalidas we are busy cutting the same tree branch in which we are sitting...its an utter shame...its my appeal to all young educated (and not pseudo intellectual) people in bengal to come out (just like what they did when nandigram occurred)and support this industrial drive....perhaps by this will regain our identity as real intellegent cum intellectual class rather than some dumb intellectual race...
An excellent article and some people have made good intellectual comments. But look at the others - being a Bengali and living in Kolkata and wanting to make Kolkata stand out in the modern world's equation, I feel ashamed to have such people with such low intellectual capabilities calling themselves educated Bengalis and taking even the liberty to comment on such a wonderful project and company as the TATAs in addition to providing willful guidance and showing vengeance on the farmers of Singur who are in any case deprived for several generations of proper education and knowledge to decide what is right and wrong. Instead of giving the farmers support and helping them see a nice futuristic vision they are destroying their dreams and aspirations and making them see only hatred. People who talk of hatred and vengeance like Ms MB and her group of supporters should not be allowed by any standard to participate politically or in any way to affect or even comment on other people's lives when they cant even manage a good life by themselves!
There are people who are idiots. They need to be tackled properly. I think Ms MB and her group have not been provided the care they needed as a child and have turned up as a problem to our society. Unfortunately, politics does not need any license like other people of other trade or work do and as such we find all sorts and qualities of people and as worse as even Ms MB and her group destroying our society. There should be something like a degree in politics and then a person can be part of any party and become a leader or be a MLA or MP. I dont think that day will come in the near or even the distant future as that rule ahs to be made by the political parties themselves!
This is how democracy fails and one of the few reasons why dictatorship succeeds. Unfortunately, this comment will not be understood by her or her supporters who will be happy to shout that I am in favor of dictatorship or even call me Hitler! Can only laugh but playing with the future of hundreds of thousands of people's lives many of whom are yet to be born in Singu and its surrounding areas - who gave that right to Ms MB? Does she know how Jamshedpur was built? She is least interested and only interested in taking some political mileage out of this. But I dont think she gets it that the way she is going, she will very much likely loose the only parliament seat she has for her party in the next parliamentary elections.
Feel just horrible. So horrible I wrote this much. It didnt make me feel good as I still feel for the people of Singur who are being forced by Ms MB to loose on a wonderful life for their children and grandchildren. It is part of democracy to stay mum for five years and vent one's anger and ensure the leader looses shamelessly in the next elections. Many of responsible Bengalis' are just preparing to do the same to Ms MB. She is truly a Kalidas as one giu joked earlier! Truly a modern Kalidas. Only Kalidas struck himself while she takes everybody surrounding her down with her!
Thank you for the excellent piece. You have summarized very well the need of the hour. However, dissent and disruption have become so deeply imbued in Bengal life, one has to remain skeptical, despite wishing that our leaders will some day forsake petty political gains and work together for general benefit of the populace.
Regarding the Singur agitation, that area is the most fertile of all the adjoining lands. The government has said that they showed the TATA's a few places but they selected Singur. Which were these other places, the government never declared. Also in that area Singur is the only place the CPIM had lost the municipal elections, so is that the reason to select Singur, to punish those poor farmers? The government has continued telling lies about the facts of Singur agitation. Aren't these the same people responsible for destroying the industrial infrastructure of the state? The Singur farmers are forced to give up their land so that the landowners in the adjoining municipalties who are CPIM supporters gain from the increased land value in their areas. It has less to do with industrialisation and more to do with rewarding people for supporting CPIM as we have seen before in Government jobs including school teachers and police force. Mr. Kulkarni should honestly ask himself how he would have reacted if his land was taken away forcibly for the purpose of such industrialisation.
Given the situation it seems more and more likely that the Tata plant will come up somewhere else not in Singur. Being a bengali it brings immense pain and shame to see the situation being politicized to this extent.
Its the crab metality which is bringing down bengal and bengalis which once (long long long ago before we were born) used to lead the nation in industrialization.
Previuosly cpm used to be anti developmemt now its mamata.
I am sorry to say the people of bengal do not desrve Tata and its industries.
Mr Tata please move to somewhere else
What is happening in Singur was pre-planned.
Let's consider these:
1. Why did bengal government offer its most fertile land for industrialization, leaving out arid areas of Purulia or Bankura district?
2. Why does Tata's need 1000 acre land for setting up an assembly unit, when it can manage Jamshedpur plant - with its forge, foundry, machining and assembly units in just over 600 acre
3. Jamshedpur plant employes some 20,000 people. How many people will be working in Singur?
4. What is the value addition being done at the facilities in Singur?
5. How much state will gain in terms of Salary to worker and Taxes in comparison to units in other state?
6. How many of the displaced workers are emplyable in any industrial unit?
7. Does the state have any facility to train people to be employable?
8. How many Bengali stories/novels ever glorified industrialists?
9. Does the state has capability to build a single kilometer of road, that will last for three years?
10. Does the ruling party, who is so vocal about democratic rights of worker has a democratic setup for its own governance?
Tata/ Shilpo r amader dorkar na Amader tata ba shilpo darkar as a state?
Nijeder bari diye dite karoi bhalo laage tabu amader prochur attiyer bari Flyover etc janyo geche, Metro r janyo geche...ki kora jabe, shobai nijer janyo korle, shobai khet shamlak, bhavishotye Derek er meye kiye khete kaaj koruk
aar TATA r keno darkar 1000 acres, sheta holey bojha jeto.choice oder.
beggars (in terms of industrialisation cannot be choosers), purulia bankurai to maobadi!!
oder shobche kharap jaygata, deal debo..ora tobe amader choose korbe..chelekhela naki
prithibite auto plants er ashe pashe equal amount of jaygay ancilliary plants hoy..hoyto TATA r huge plan...Jamshedpur was decades before globalised economy
Many talked about Industrialzed Begal of the past. please remember that such developemnt was not the work of the local bongs or their politicians;but by the British.Perhaps it is time to invite Clive once again!we would be better off.After Independance , Bengal has been systematically destroyed whreas the rest of India prospered. Have you read about Bangalore or Hyderabad in the History books as far as Industry is concerned? All major companies were located in and around Calcutta.Nobody taks about Kolkata now in modern India. Lat us thank our politicians for this.If Tatas leave bengal, we are sure to be confined to the coffin till another Clive arrives. Thanks
This is too much . How many time we have to suffuring for nasty plitician Mamata Banerjee ? ppl of Bengal should proud for Tata's NANO car project . But this project is now in denger . due irresponsible politician like Mamata Tata can shut down this project any time. I think she is wanting to creat the atmosphare like Nandigram n she will take some advantage for comming MP election like panchayet . soo cheap politician i never seen.we should kik-out her in the bey of Bangal.
Well, Kulkarni, why do not you ask
Tata guys to setup industries on
non-agricultural lands. Everyone
has been shouting this for a long time? Do read, then write!
Banerjee
Didi seems to be hallucinating. Proof: her imaginative explanations regarding the National Highway blocking and her deams of public support for her misguided, anti Bengal movement movement
I don't think mamata has any commitment or development agenda for farmers and people of West Bengal. Her only concern is to become CM of WB. Main problem is that, she belives only she has the divine right to become CM of WB. Till she occupies that chair, she wants all development activity should be stopped. Her agitation is motivated by this cynical attitude.
She has been central minister with important portfolio for several occasions ,but she has done precious little for WB.Rather, when she was railway minister , she
was busy in bloodbath(khunokhuni) in keshpur.She could contribute enormously to WB as railway minster
as Nitish kr, Lalu Prasad done to Bihar.
She has excessive greed for power, wellbeing of common people is nothing to her. Otherwise she wouldn't lead such an destructive agitation like destroy-singur agitation. She is like a cancer, a proven political bustard. Her every nuisense reflects her lunatic and selfish mindset.
If we purchase the argument of Ms. Banerjee- Bacharam Manna & Co. that this is a fight of livelihood of the owners of 400Acres, then what is the fault of those 600Acres owners who have already given their land? If the project is scrapped, then what they will do for their livelihood...
This agitation is for only two issue..
1. Why gvt has acquired land for TATA's where tout like Bacharam Manna and co. is present there.
2. To test the patients of Govt. if they take any disciplinary action, then the brainless wonders (The Mob) will be in front line get the test of administration and Ms. Banerjee & co. will enjoy the political mileage, like they try to take from the "21July"
I have very strong reservations about the sentence " with due respect", how Mamata deserves respect? I think to earn political gain she can go to any extent. Just comparing her achievements with Mr Lalu Prasad's as the Railway Minister will clear all illusions about her. Mr Lalu Prasad came here in Kuala Lumpur and arranged a good booty of cotract for IRCON. We all know what had she done for Indian Rail. Of course now she is in a position where her party colleagues are aginst her about Singur. We want Nano to come out of Singur on time. Enough of Mamata's drama
we want industrialisation for the sake of bengal......
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The proverb says:
"He, who knows not that he knows not, is a fool;
He, who knows that he knows not, can be taught;
but he, who knows that he knows, is a prophet, follow him."
MB belongs to the third category. She knows that she knows all about agriculture, industrialization, etc. And of course, she knows relitics (religion+politics). So we should follow her, wherever she goes - to Singur or may be, to HELL.
It is sad to see people like Mamata Bannerjee, sending wrong message across the globe. For their own narrow benefit they are depriving the future generations in West bengal.It cannot be denied that people of bengal are deprived and poor in comparison to other states of India. This is an opportunity for bengalies to grow. We need to be an industialised state. Mamata should immediately withdraw the blockade and allow the Tatas to build the industrial revolution of Bengal. I believe all sane people will agree with me that we dont need politians like Mamata who is hindering Bengal's growth.
Hi,
Mamata Banerjee and the clan-- There is a question to all--
How many mouths does she feed -- compared to the tatas.
Does she have any rights to stop that.
Hey You!
Do not question the might of mitey didi. She can feed a thousand mouth. Her lawless supporters can loot and can feed.
Have you not read the grand picnic being organized at Singur gate. She can feed all - but dignity; she may not know the meaning.
We have all seen how she used to demoralize senior railway officers when she was in railway minister. She thinks that all those grand failure has given her the right to sit the throne of WB CM.
Hail Didi! May you clan perish.
Miss Banerjee should rise over petty shortsighted politics and understand longterm mileage that Bengal and India will derive from this project. Agriculture which is an incrementally low yielding output need to transform into incrementally high yielding "industrilization".All the developed country have moved in this path and India cant be any exception.As far as farmers in Singur are concerned , there can be many alternatives to the demand of 400 acres of land ,including a attractive superior package .Miss Banerjee should not be obstinate and give way to the project for Bengal's future and her own betterment of political future.
People of Bengal must remember Mamata for her opportunism and love for anarchy. She is stupid and selfish - she is dangerous.
1.First of all, let us accept that there was procedural mistake in acquiring the land. But given the current situation, it is not possible to return the land. If there is a way, that land can be returned WITHOUT losing the project, let TMC suggest it in the discussions table.
2. The interests of these marginal farmers (though the numbers are disputable) are important. But not more than the collective interests of those who who want job and prosperity. These farmers can also join that community but they are being compelled to be resistant by TMC (I doubt how many are genuinely unwilling).
3. Can TMC put in writing that these farmelands, if returned, will not be sold in the next 15 years and will be exclusively used for farming? If not, there will be disparity between those who volunteered (majority) and those who did not.
4. Let us not delve into the past i.e what CITU did in the 70s.. A politics of "tit for tat" and vengeance will not help. We have a problem NOW and that needs to be resolved NOW keeping West Bengal's broader interests in mind..
As an analogy, USA did a procedural and moral mistake invading Iraq. But the solution to that is not blocking the Pentagon and making it dysfunction. The war has to be finished because the impact of the unfinished war would be worse... As in the US. they say ..."MOVE ON"....
HI DIDI!!!R u a politician.R u think about our WB.U r SELFISH MAMATA.U fight only for ur VOTE.Neither u think for FARMER nor for our WB.If u think for farmer then u not demand for that 400acers land u demand HIGH PACKEG.U R totally MAD & BAD.But MAD also understand their GOOD.But u totally FINISH nw.
HEY MAMATA!This is toooo much year. Stop ur PAGLAMI.AS a INDIAN we r so PROUD for TATA but as a BANGALI WE r SHAMEFUL for U.Outside of WB all people know as "HUJJUTE BENGAL"only for u.so pls we request u GO TO UR HOME WITH PARTHO to recognige u as a NON-STUPID LEADER.PLS join with us to FULFILL OUR DREAM with TATA.EAST YEA WEST TATA IS GREAT BUT EAST-WEST MAMATA IS "SES".
HEY MAMATA!This is toooo much year. Stop ur PAGLAMI.AS a INDIAN we r so PROUD for TATA but as a BANGALI WE r SHAMEFUL for U.Outside of WB all people know as "HUJJUTE BENGAL"only for u.so pls we request u GO TO UR HOME WITH PARTHO to recognige u as a NON-STUPID LEADER.PLS join with us to FULFILL OUR DRIEM with TATA.EAST YEA WEST TATA IS GREAT BUT EAST-WEST MAMATA IS "SES".
To those Mamata supporters who are drawing the analogy between Singur and someone's house forcibly taken away, you are distorting facts..
NO ONE HAS BEEN EVICTED FROM THEIR HOUSES.. They are being forced out of their current profession at the exchange of money, which is NO DIFFERENT from golden handshake/ VRS in the industry. If employees in the industry have to accept golden handshake as reality, why not farmers?
As a bengali after reading all those writing, I want to ask them who are talking about development of state that why there was no "dhorna" when West Bengal Govt. stopped English as a second language and destroyed few generations and their future? I am one of them who still has to face problem as I started English in Class 6. We were child and nobody was there to help us and stand for us to ask about starting English from class 6. What happened to Budhha Babu, Kulkarni, TATA, or other Business man around that time? Why they never stand on behalf of us? Are teh yreally think about development? or they only think about their PROFIT? Think Bengali people who DESTROYED generations after generations on term of basic education; are they allowed to talk about DEVELOPMENT anymore? This is just proof that they brainwashed almost everybody in WEST BENGAL. Think Bengali Think AGAIN before writing anything against anybody......
Anonymous:
So your logic is- 2wrongs make one right?
Amazing...This is called politics of vengeance..
I think, one important point we are overlooking. Some of the farmers may be aggrieved because lands outside the project area are skyrocketing. If a farmer got compensation, say around 3 lakhs for one bigha plot and if the present price of the same quantity of land outside project area is 4 times (as reported in the media), then it is obvious that he/she will think as being deprived. Against so much provocation and brainstorming, he will not be reasonable enough to see that the price increase is because of the factory. I would suggest that the Government should immediately declare that changing character of any land by private parties outside the project area but within 30 km radius, will not be allowed under any circumstances. I think, there is already such a law in force and Government should use it. In this way, price of these lands will not increase and farmers will be contented, at least, regarding the compensation amount.
I want to register my following queries to the so-called supporter of TATA and NANO plant (mostly commies intellectuals):
· Who is responsible for this fiasco?
- Definitely TATAs and WB Govt. Why TATA has chosen the fertile lands of Singur and not some barren lands of Birbhum or Bankura? Why WB Govt. try to bulldoze the land acquisition without taking the farmers and the opposition into confidence? Why the agreement between TATA and Govt. is still not published and kept secret? Why 1897 land acquisition law (which is meant for some Govt. project of public importance) was applied to acquire lands for private industry? We want answers on all these from the supporter of TATA plant before criticizing the agitation.
· Why the situation is different from other states?
- The scnerio in WB is different than other states because firstly the lands are much more fertile than the barren lands used for industry in other states like Maharashtra. Secondly people are very poor and depend solely on small pieces of land as their sole means of livelihood. If the land is taken away with whatever compensation, the whole family will lose their earning and they will become labourer. So to create employment of about 10000 people in Nano plant (mostly out of state engineers and labourers and a few Bengali as clerk) actually we will create 10000 unemployed (land owner and their family members). This is not development. Who will benefit from the Nano car? The middle class, who have power to purchase a car and not the Farmers.
· What if TATA agrees to return 400 acre of land?
- Some logic is given that if the land is returned that is not cultivable now because it has lost its fertility. But presnt land rate of Singur is 45 lakh per acre whereas the Govt rate is 12 lakh per acre. The farmers even cannot do cultivation can sell the land at higher price for real estate and be benefited.
· What if TATA leave Singur?
- TATA chosen Singur and WB not out of any affection to Bengal or for its development. They have calculated that since WB is one of the cheapest parts of India and since it is near to their steel plant at Jamshedpur, they can save a lot of money to produce the car and can sell that at cheapest price. This is not possible in Maharashtra or Gujarat where the cost of living is very high which will escalate the car price. So I don't think they will leave WB. If they do so, only part of investment of 1500 crore will be lost which was used for land filling, labour cost etc. Other things like structures, machineries can be dismantled and taken to new site and reused. So total loss of TATA will be only 150-200 crore out of 1500 crore.
I did not at all understand what you have said against your 3rd question. TATA has said umpteen times that it will not be possible for them to run the factory without the ancillary units to be located at 400 acres. Hence, in case the land is returned to farmers, they will leave Singur. Do you think in that possible scenario, the farmers will get 45 lakhs per acre? Anyone will pay that price if there is no Nano factory? Secondly, if according to you, TATA does not leave West Bengal, where they will get those 400 acres if most of the lands in West Bengal are fertile (you said it)? Do you suggest another acquirement from farmers in another place? Are you sure it will be trouble-free? Amazing thinking!
Answers to the comment of Marriage Match:
· Who is responsible for this fiasco?
Both WB Govt. & Ms. Mamata Banerjee as Govt. thought that there would be no opposition of the land aquisition while Mamata Banerjee suddenly stoping the protest after her Hunger - Strike and reviving it just as the project is about to complete. (The gap in protest was due to a more tounge licking issue than Singur at that time - Nandigram). The matter would have been solved if she continued her protest at the time of her Hunger-Strike as the construction work was not started in the 400 acres of Land. Still now, all of us are aware that Ms. MB's representatives were absent in the All Party Meeting for Katoa Power Plant for finalising the Compensation packages.
· Why the situation is different from other states?
- Bogus. Where ever land aquisition has been done for industrialization in the country, the Farmers has registered their protests against it.More people had commited suicide & died due to Police firing than that of Singur in Maharashtras' Dhabol- Enron Project.Don't misguide the people that the local people will remain un-employed after the project as at the present condition only, the farmers who have been affected is earning more than what they used to earn from their land earlier. Nano Car Project will benifit the whole State and the adjoining areas will be the most benifited one. Points are given after the answers.
· What if TATA agrees to return 400 acre of land?
- What an answer....... the farmers will sell the land in a higher rate? So why can't they demand higher compensation? Please note that the current rise in Land prices in Singur is due to the TATA Project & if they give away the 400 acres, they will also give away the 600 acres also & the land prices will come down once again. Then it will be of no use...... NA HOMMEY LAAGBE NA JOGGEY
· What if TATA leave Singur?
- TATA (TATA CHEMICALS) has previously left Gopalpur after investing Rs. 150 Crores & still date has not returned, neither to start the work nor to take away their machineries. How much they will loose is a question definitely, but there is no doubt that we(PEOPLE of WEST BENGAL) will loose many times more than TATA.
What Singur Project would have done to the area?
1. Other than the benefits which are already stated by many Persons, it would have helped the Revival of Small-Scale Industries of Howrah, the place which was once called as the Manchester of Eastern India, as TIER- III Vendors of the Auto-Cluster at Singur.
2. The TATA Motors had taken up the intiative of Dregding a Canal going by the side of the Project Area which would have helped the farmers of the adjoining areas, by minimizing, the chances of water-logging of their lands & subsequently the loss incurred every year by them.
3. TATA CSR alone was running 2 Free Medical Camps at the area along with 9 other Free Medical Camps, jointly with Govt. Agencies which are closed at present.
4. TATA Group had taken up the initiative to construct RCC Roads in the adjoining village areas of the Project as a part of Rural Development Program which has been stopped.
5. TATA Group was ready to set up Technical Colleges (one ITI & one Diploma) at Singur which would have helped the local students immensely but has dumped the project at present.
6. After the Project got Commisioned, TATA Motors would have built a full-fledged Hospital at Singur, where the employees would have received the free-treatment, and the local people had received the treatments at a nominal cost (much less than that of a Govt. Hospital & more sophisticated facilities) as the TATA Groups’ Hospitals are not only non-profitable but subsidized by TATA CHARITABLE TRUST. Those who are not in a mood to believe this fact may please be informed that it is a Rule in TATA Group to have full-fledged Hospital within 5 KM of their Factory, which has to be runned by the management itself. In Jamshedpur only, there are 2 major Hospitals (along with few medical centres) runned by TATA Group as TMH (TATA MAIN HOSPITAL) is more than 5 Kms from the TATA MOTORS & TATA POWER Plants.
But due to our great DIDI, Singur is going to be a next Gopalpur for TATA Group as the announcement will be done on Wednesday.
Friends' we have lost the Oppurtunity. So DIDI & her allies can start their celebrations.
SUDHU BEKAR CHELEMEYE GULO NOI, CHAASI GULO KEO MARAR PURO PAKAPAKI BONDOBOST KORE DILEN DIDI. HATS' OFF.
Trinamool or whatever mollis they are a party of some lumpen goons whose Vote banks consists of ruffians,mafias funded by local real estate dealers.. A party that is bereft of any ideology and only has a one point agenda of opposing for the sake of opposition.. canny really claim to represent some landless peasants... Even if some farmers are not willing to give away the land let the Govt give them more compensation...Mamta knows that she has nothing in her party except her "own rabble rousing vocal chords" to hold the party together..so Singur comes as a grand picnic where she feasts with her fellow small time crooks and criminals...There can be no middle ground in Singur.. Its us versus they .. Either you are for Industrialization or your are not for it..
It happens everywhere.. Agriculture .. then manufacturing and then services.. This is the natural economic progression every developing country goes through.. The soooner people learn to accept the better is is for everyone..
This movement is gradually going in the hands of fascist forces like Naxalites... Its time people found out the truth.. about the reality of small time Party that only has one MP at the Parliment...and they cant hold the entore livelihood of 10,000 people to ransom
To people who suddenly turned sympathizers of poor farmers:
Just try to imagine a scenario - 400 acres of land returned to unwilling farmers. TATA stopped all work and closed the mother plant of 600 acres. The locals who got jobs become unemployed once again; those who are expecting jobs become frustrated (who cares, they are small in numbers!). TATA abandoned all its developmental activities in the area. Unwilling farmers get back their land but it is uncultivable because of deep concrete piling. To convert the land again to cultivable condition, the farmers now require huge fund which is unavailable. Government does not provide fund because they are not owners and shrugs off all responsibilities. Farmers cannot accuse the government now. Banks will not provide fund because there is no such scheme. No other large industry house will come forward because of the past experience. In this imagined scenario what the farmers will now do? They can not even seek the amount which they refused earlier. Some small timers and land sharks may come and wait for the opportune moment when the farmers will be bound for distress sale and which will be much much less than the compensation. TATA will loose some money; but they can afford to loose. They will, of course, retain the 600 acres for future sale, may be after 10/20/30 years. The whole area will be a hunting place for ghosts. No industry, no agriculture, no township - a godforsaken place. In the meantime, the farmers will be relegated to BPL (below poverty line) category. Who will come forward to save them? Who will be their saviour in such an eventuality? I hope you have an answer.
I just have one question - it costs Rs 1 crore per day to sustain the dharna and feed the agitators. Where is Mamata Banerjee getting this money from?
- Tina
to the person who was blaming Bengal's destruction on the current govt.-destruction, i donot think so, stagnation due to unionbaazi is more like it, withdrawal of english was also also suicidal.still people want to give them chances, because they accept their errors and try to make changes. the other choices are so pathetic that choosing them will be more suicidal than withdrawing english
left is 80% order and 20% anarchy
tmc is 10% order and 90% goons
cong (i) is 50-50 and heavy opportunism and corruption
ultra left is 100% in swapner desh
and by the way, celebrity endorsements are annoying. who cares what celebrities think. Whether its Bibhash Chakroborty or Suvoprasonno or Aparna Sen or who ever, they all have one vote each.
"Whether its Bibhash Chakroborty or Suvoprasonno or Aparna Sen or who ever, they all have one vote each."
-They actually worry about losing their prominence. If Bengal becomes an industrially prosperous state, people will talk about Narayanmurthys and Tatas and not about so called "buddhijibis".Name one "buddhijibi" from Karnataka which is an industrially developed state. They do not want to lose Calcutta's "cultural capital" tag
I urge all, for and against, to read a blog posting at another site. The man is a senior agricultural scientist. I do not necessarily endorse the statistics, I am not an expert. But this man at least attempted to shred off some misconceptions. Please read it at:
http://ratandatta.sulekha.com/blog/post/ 2008/08/one-needs-to-know-a-bit-about-ag riculture-to-know.htm
ha ha..
buddhijibi does not mean they have a capitalist landlords of budhdhiland..ability to think is important..and ability to do is bigger. hopefully as a society we bengalis have thought enough and now are ready to 'do'what think is the right thing to do by each of us and collectively
glanced through Ratan duttas blogs, really Karat, Biman bose, they are so theoritical that they absolutely not functional characters. Bardhan sounds empty. Yechury is cute.
The withdrawal of support at Loksabha was pathetic. Many left supporters were happy when Singh won. I personally think, that does not mean Dasmunshi should be excited.
momota debi ekhon national highway block kore nach gaan dekhchen
Let's face it. Do the people of West Bengal deserve a project like Nano. A state whose people live in the past, have no ability or inclination to compete with the other states of India, where empty slogans are more important than any constructive work and most importantly where economic failure has been elevated to an art form, should not have a project like this.
And if anybody is to be blamed for the current situation then he is none other than MR. RATAN TATA.
How could he think that he can come to our state and build something productive? How dare he ask us to work for our earning? He is not only arrogant but also a fool. He should have checked with any self respecting Bengali living in West Bengal and would have been informed that hard and honest work to earn our living is not exactly our strong point. We are better at solving world problems over a cup of tea sitting at street corner tea shops.
So Mr. Tata, I hope you have now learned a lesson and will now leave our golden state and go elsewhere to build your factory. I am sure you will find some other state whose people do not have enough brain to ask you why they have to work to earn their living.
Long live intellectual, thinking West Bengal. Down with productive rest of India.
Ms. Mamata Banerjee & her disciples' are just doing the same thing as Santa Singh did:
Once Santa read a board "likhney wala briliant.....parhney wala idiot.." Santa becomes engry, he rub the board and writes, "parhney wala briliant, likhney wala idiot...."
To
All the People of West Bengal,
Please wake up and uprightly protest against this barbarism. We have witnessed the downfall of Bengal since the regime of this government started; one industry after another was closed down or was compelled to leave this state. The state lost its significance in the context of development because in those days Bengal meant unemployment, a place never to invest or even to travel.
Now with the change of policy of the present government when people are aspiring to dream again, to prosper again one Bengalee only took the great responsibilitty to demean the prestige of the people of Bengal.In the process she is following the footstep of the ex-chief minister of Bengal by arranging to expel industry from this state.
You have tolereated a lot. In the name of politics these leaders are doing nothing positive or constructive. Please give these leaders a lesson which they will never forget in life.
Let the Nano factory start in full swing.
Mamata is testing the patience of ordinary people. Will be she able to withstand the outburst?
The latest: TATA Motors Suspends Work on NANO Plant in Singur.Please see the press release at http://www.tatamotors.com/our_world/
press_releases.php?ID=385&action=Pull
Who is benefitted? Didi or People of West Bengal? When we shall learn? When, if not now?
Ms MB is a 'professional agitator"... She has never led a government... It is easy to instigate simple uneducated masses and show your strength by assembling a huge crowd, half of whom are there because of the excitement of something new, rather than affiliation to the cause.. Unfortunately, she can never be the CM of Bengal because of her ways.. Otherwise she would have realised that the "cheap popularity" techniques that she uses to maximum benefit would have blown up in her face...
Mr. Tata come back home to Maharashtra!!!!!!!!!!
Respected Mr Ratan Tata,
Its a request from me and from people like me- please don't leave West Bengal for the childish act of the political leaders here. They will never do anything good for the people and if they do anything they will do it for the interest of their parties only.
We the common people of Bengal want job, industry and prosperity which we are deprived off for long.
We lost our respect, our confidence to the other Indians during the regime of the ex Chief Minister by expelling industries from this state and we think Bengal is now one of the most corrupted states in India.
With all these black spots suddenly we got this opportunity to show our credential, to develop ourselves.
Please give us a chance. We have all respect and confidence upon you.
With regards
One common man of Bengal
According to many, I found, West Bengal was once the front-runner among Indian states; now it is a back-bencher. Those who want to find the truth, not just emotional side-stepping, I would suggest a book titled AGONY OF WEST BENGAL written by an eminent journalist Ranjit Roy, published way back in 1972 before Left Front Government came into power. I do not know whether the book is available at book shops, but it may be found in a library. Read it and please then try to understand.
Whatever Mamata is doing in Singur is disgusting and completely detremental to the developement of Bengal. Her actions show that the she is trying to do partisan politics and not in the interest of the farmers. She does not want to a solution to the issue but wants to drag it on to get electoral mileage. If she was serious she would not have claimed the return of the land as the land is now useless for farming after the construction activities. This is not with standing the fact that it is questionable that whether the land was very fertile in the first place itself. For Tatas it is impossible to return the land as it destroys their supply chain economics which is the corner stone for producing the cheapest car in the world. probably Mamata needs one more "Phd" to comprehend such business economics. Interestingly she has dropped the Dr as a prefix to her name after she could establish her Phd credentials. Such is the integrity of our leaders who fight for the right causes. Yesterday Mamata has questioned Saurav whether he is aware where is Singur. May I ask our didi whether she was aware where is singur before Tatas brought Singur to the world map. Let me also ask her how much does she know about the contribution of Tatas in the the nation building. Apart from the industrial revolution in India they are a glaobal bench mark in Corporate Social Responsibility. How many people know that they were the first company to introduce 8 hr working for laboureres, Provident fund, maternity leave, medical benefits. All these became law much after Tatas introduced them in their own companies out of their own initiatives. Today she is trying to point fingers at such a company which is golbally known not for its business profits but for its humane face. Mamata should think she has achieved miracle if she can contribute even 1/1000 th of what Tatas have contributed to India.
With her histronics, melodrama & gimmicks she may win the next bengal election but she is going to lose the next bengal generation if Tatas move out of Bengal
Politicians of this country never misses an opportunity to use any developmental issue for the sake of vote bank politics. I was not expecting Ms.Banerjee to be any different from this. She has got it all wrong in singur,instead of demanding a better compensation for the farmers who have lost their land, she has chosen to oppose the very initiative, which in the long run would have helped West Bengal in its pursuit of Industrialization. What has Ms.Banerjee got to offer for those who will be loosing their jobs at TATA Motors? What about the plight of the small industries who have invested heavily & are totally dependent on TATA's NANO Project? TATA Motors is supposed to have a "Plan B" to relocate the NANO Project. Does Ms.Banerjee have a similar plan for the development of Singur?
We should boycott the TMC supporting intellectuals and their products (film, song, painting, drama etc) to show how the common people feel about their actions. These people have been giving statements and agitating people without taking any responsibility for their actions. Please let us stand up against these hypocrites.
SINGUR PROJECT – DATAS’ IN CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER
FEB – March’ 06:
Before Assembly Elections’ 06, Land was identified by Govt. of West Bengal & TATA Group in Singur.
May’ 06:
Assembly Elections were held & TMC won in the assembly Constituency of Singur Project Area, mainly taking lead from the specified Project Area.
27.05.06:
An All Party Meeting was called at DM office, Hooghly, for finalizing the compensation packages regarding Land Acquisition for the project. All parties attended the meeting except TMC, CPI(ML), & SUCI. Rates were fixed at Rs. 7.5 Lacs/ Acres for prime & most fertile lands while Rs. 5.2 lacs/ acre for the others. Congress (I) didn’t agree.
17.06.06:
Again an All Party meeting was held but it failed to produce unanimous decision. Again TMC, CPI(ML), & SUCI were absent.
04.07.06:
Again an All Party meeting was held and TMC, CPI(ML), & SUCI were absent. Land price/rates were fixed at Rs. 12 lacs/ acre for prime & most fertile lands, Rs. 10 lacs/ acre for the next category & Rs. 8 Lacs/ acre for the law & marshy lands. All parties including Congress (I) agreed.
13.07.06:
Notice for land acquisition was served to the farmers.
25.09.06:
Cheques for the land prices were to be given to the farmers from the BLRO office but had to be suspended due to the agitation of TMC supremo Ms. Mamata Banerjee.
29.06.06:
Cheque distribution started.
December’ 06:
Ms. Mamata Banerjee’s “ANOSHON” in Dharmatala.
Jan’07:
Land acquisition Notice released by HDA for Chemical Hub in Nandigram & violence in Nandigram starts as local CPI(M) leaders are murdered & Party Offices burnt.
Feb’ 07:
Ms. Mamata Banerjee shifts her eye & starts focusing at Nandigram, keeping the Singur issue in Cold-Storage.
13.03.07:
Agreement between TATA Motors & WBIDC for the Singur Project.
14.03.07:
Police firing at Nandigram. 14 People died, a black day for the Communist Govt. of West Bengal. Entire focus of the Media turns to Nandigram.
15.03.07:
Industry & Commerce Minister Mr. Nirupam Sen, while participating in the debate over Governors’ Speech for that Assembly Session, informed the Assembly about the facilities given by the Govt. to the TATA Motors in Singur. He also stated that the part of agreement, regarding the Govt. facilities provided to TATA Motors can only be disclosed, but the other part of the agreement regarding the Technical & Technological specifications related terms from the TATA Motors Side is protected under SECTION 8 (D) of the Right to Information Act & Patent Act and cannot be made public.
This statement is registered in the Assembly but due to the shift of entire focus towards Nandigram, neither the Opposition Parties, nor the Media paid attention to it.
17.03.07:
Construction work starts for TATA Motors Plant in Singur. (Land identification & temporary boundary wall works were started earlier, but was done by WBIDC.)
18.03.07:
Lay-Out Plan was released by TATA Motors which showed that 645 acres of land is for the Mother Plant, 290 acres for Ancillary units & 62 acres of lands to be jointly developed by TATA Motors & WBIDC for infrastructural works (Roads, Drainage system, Power Sub-Station, etc.) & Rehabilitation for the Land-looser, unable to be Rehabilitated by job or other business sources inside the Auto-Cluster.
Now, these data’s shows that TMC supremo was not at all interested in having discussion with Govt. Representatives from the very beginning, just like she is doing for the KATWA Thermal Power Plant. After somedays she started her agitations but left the issue in the Cold-Storage for grabbing the much more Tongue Licking issue of NANDIGRAM.
REGARDING LIVELIHOOD
Till date, 3912 persons of the affected families of Singur Project area have registered themselves with WBIDC asking for Employment / Occupational / Livelihood helps.
Out of these peoples,
762 persons, out of which 350 received technical training from TATA Group & others’ previously qualified is going to be employed in the AUTO – Cluster as Technicians & Administrative Personnel.
1270 persons have been helped by WBIDC to start business using a part of the compensation received along with Bank Loans as construction material & machinery suppliers & after construction work is completed, they will be the material suppliers for the ancillary industries.
40 ladies of the registered lot, educated upto HS & above have received Training on Tailoring & WBIDC has given them Sewing Machines. They are now giving training to others’ (less educated & uneducated) in Tailoring & have set-up a co-operative. It has been finalized that the Co-operative will be the Sole VENDOR for preparing the Uniforms & Hand – Gloves required in the entire Auto – Cluster.
25 ladies, educated upto the Secondary & Primary standard have received Cooking & Catering Training at Institute of Hotel Management, Taratala & they along with other ladies of the area, have set-up Co-operative which will be the sole VENDOR in Canteen Facilities for the whole Auto – Cluster.
As & when the Plant gets commissioned, there will be huge requirement of Skilled & un-Skilled labours, for which local people will be given first preferences as publicly stated by TATA Group.
Other than these, those who are going to register themselves later or already have been registered but cannot be employed in the Auto – Cluster will be given occupation by means of shops & other markets as a huge market will come up along with the project to fulfill the daily needs of the staffs of the Auto – Cluster.
The farmers who are now having pieces of land in their custody & Supporting the RIGHT of Land or Farming will then sell their own land to set up Business for better livelihood & to be a part of Industrialization.
But, friends all these above data’s regarding livelihood are to be treated as Would Have Been as the Project is Dumped. Yes it is fact (may be only 5 % chances are left till next Monday).
The 762 persons who have already received employment / training will be start receiving Transfer Letters to other Plants & Projects of TATA Motors from next week.
May be the Tailoring & Catering Co-operatives will also be helped by TATA Group in their Struggle for Existence, but the unemployed & farmers are going to be in deep trouble along with State of WEST BENGAL………….. THANKS TO MAMATA BANERJEE & HER DISCIPLES.
can we have the list of intellectuals,
aparna sen,
shaonli mitra,
suvaprasanna ....who else...Bibhash Chakroborty...Derek Obrien...lets do it,
why should they have a bigger say in stuff like this, they have created this Monster called Mamata, she has no mandate but just because of glamour quotient she thinks she has the right to do anything she wants, what nonsense. it is bordering on madness now. democracy is not surrender to the needs of majority specially if they are unreasonable. what does neka Aparna Sen understand about pricing..underpass!!!
corection :democracy is not surrender to the needs of minority specially if they are unreasonable. what does neka Aparna Sen understand about pricing..underpass!!!
wish the entire TMC camp could live in a giant underpass under West Bengal
BANDHURA ONEKE, ONEK KICHU LICHECHO. AKTA PROSNO KORTE CHAI... TRINOMULASHORI MAMATADEVI APNAKE....
AAJ OBDHI KOTA LOKER CHAKRI / ROJGARER BABOSTHA KORTE PERECHEN? AAJ JE APNI SINGURER 400 AKOR JOMI PHEROT CHAICHEN AI BOLE JE PASSER JOMI THEKE "UNDERPASS" DIYA KAAJ HOK, APNI KI AUTOMOBILE / CIVIL / STRUCTURAL / LOGISTIC TECHONOLOGIST? AAPNI ATO KICHU JANEN...BHALO LAGE .... KINU JA KICHU JANEN O KOREN SOBI JE JANASARTHABIRODHI SEITAI KHARAP LAGE... APNAR NIJER CREDIBLITY TA KOTHAI NAMLO BHEBECHEN? AAJ JE KRISOK DER KOTHA BOLCHEN, AASOLE VOTER KOTHA BOLCHEN, TARA JOKHON DEKHBE JE TATA O CHOLE GELO, JOMIO PHEROT HOLO NA TOKHON APNI KI KORBEN? ATHOBA TATA CHOLE GELO, JOMI PHEROT HOLO KINTU SEI JOMI TE AGAMI 100 (EKSO) BOCHOR KONO PHOSOL HOLO NA TOKHON APNI KAKE DOSH DEBEN? NIJEKE NA BUDDHA KE?
BANDHURA ONEKE, ONEK KICHU LICHECHO. AKTA PROSNO KORTE CHAI... TRINOMULASHORI MAMATADEVI APNAKE....
AAJ OBDHI KOTA LOKER CHAKRI / ROJGARER BABOSTHA KORTE PERECHEN? AAJ JE APNI SINGURER 400 AKOR JOMI PHEROT CHAICHEN AI BOLE JE PASSER JOMI THEKE "UNDERPASS" DIYA KAAJ HOK, APNI KI AUTOMOBILE / CIVIL / STRUCTURAL / LOGISTIC TECHONOLOGIST? AAPNI ATO KICHU JANEN...BHALO LAGE .... KINU JA KICHU JANEN O KOREN SOBI JE JANASARTHABIRODHI SEITAI KHARAP LAGE... APNAR NIJER CREDIBLITY TA KOTHAI NAMLO BHEBECHEN? AAJ JE KRISOK DER KOTHA BOLCHEN, AASOLE VOTER KOTHA BOLCHEN, TARA JOKHON DEKHBE JE TATA O CHOLE GELO, JOMIO PHEROT HOLO NA TOKHON APNI KI KORBEN? ATHOBA TATA CHOLE GELO, JOMI PHEROT HOLO KINTU SEI JOMI TE AGAMI 100 (EKSO) BOCHOR KONO PHOSOL HOLO NA TOKHON APNI KAKE DOSH DEBEN? NIJEKE NA BUDDHA KE?
Was going through all the comments. Interesting and some very impressive and resourceful. Some are against the ruling party's activities and some against TMC's activities. I would like to ask are we ever happy with any political party? Can we expect a "Ram Rajya" from any political party. We often say that "Ekhane ar kichu bhalo hobe na...." And now when the Govt. is trying to do some "bhalo" then why are people behaving like this? Era ki nijeder bhalo, desher bhalo bojhe na? After 15 years when I recently took up a job in Saltlake I realised that this Govt. has changed the whole scenario there. 15 years back I had rejected offers from big IT companies because I felt that going to SDF building was almost like going to the Bangladesh border. 15 years back you could hardly find any person in that area after 5 PM. Today at even 8 PM , I find more people on the streets of sector 5 of Saltlake and in Newtown area than I find in Dalhousie. And the huge stretch of water has turned out to be "NALBAN".
I would not be surprised to see Singur become a semi-metro in less than 3 years time because of the TATAs. But what to do if some people do not have that foresight.
Thanks tanha dil, your illustrative timeline is enough to show the real motive of TMC and its associates behind their agitation. Incidentally, when the TMC Supremo was railway minister, the department acquired huge tract of land for railway line to Digha with the help of the state government by the same law against which she is now protesting. Her main objective is to stop all industrial initiatives in the state at any cost because she knows that it will help the main constituent of present government to remain in power for another 30 years. It should also be noted that some of the partners of the present government also tacitly support her for their own interest. It is better not to talk about those so called intellectuals who are rallying behind her sinister activities. It is not difficult to understand that their newfound love for the lady of fire is solely because of personal reasons.
I have just seen following comments in another blog:
"I met someone from Kolkata recently. He is related to film industry. He says Aparna Sen wanted money to produce film from Buddhadeb. Yes WB Govt. used to finance art films. Buddhadeb politely refused her because these days even banks finance films. But Since her films cant guarantee sale of tickets, no bank came forward. She again asked Buddha to put in a word with IDBI. But he refused to do so because bank's risk management practices are pretty stringent now. After this she has vowed to destroy Buddhadeb." No further comments are necessary.
Sincerely doubt that.. anbas... why don't u stick to the topic being discussed instead of indulging in pG 3 stuff ?
Sorry, If I hurt your sentiments. But I could not resist myself to reproduce it when I found that some armchair intellectuals who have no root in rural areas are suddenly weeping crocodile tears for poor farmers. When the same farmers are hit by flood or drought, when transportation cost and fertilizer prices shoot up, when they do not get the minimum price for their crop and have to throw them on roads, these intellectuals look other way. They just do not care.
Let us think about few things here. How much money do you all think a farmer makes in a year from his 1 Acre of Land? I doubt if it is even Rs. 60,000,around Rs.5000/month. Considering the number of family leaving below the poverty level in West Bengal, this figure can't be true.
Now as a compensation, for 1 Acre of Land they got 12 Lakhs (From todays report of a farmer's suicide, who gave his 1.5 Acres for 18 Lakhs for the project). A Fixed Deposit of 10 Lakhs with an interest rate of 6% can bring you Rs.60,000 and then you have 2 Lakhs extra in hand. Above all Somebody from your house either got a Training and job offer from Tata's or from the Tier-II support companies. Which practically makes the earning much more than Rs.5000 / month. This ensures, somebody is making the farmers fool, by saying thay are loosing. Ms. Banerjee and her supporters are saying that these independent Farmers will have to work as a servant to the others, which is completely wrong. If anybody checks the conditions of this farmers, he/she will know that they practically works for some people who are the leaders of these motions (Like Becharam Manna, who is famous now a days). But the time is running out of Ms. Banerjee. If by any reason, Tata's go away from Singur, the complete responsibility will be on Ms. Banerjee and her supporters. Hope they will realise the reality and come together with the Government to have a respectable solution. They can demand for a better package, nothing bad on that; but can't demand for that land which simply tells Tata to go away. Ms. Banerjee should know that there is something called favourable conditions for the Industry which tells support companies should be within the main Industry. It is nothing about Underpass. It is all about Man-hour. If by taking the support companies to the other side of the main Industry, a 5 minutes extra time gets added to the Production Line, it can cost few crores in an year. Ms. Banerjee should understand that. So just a pray to GOD, give her maturity to take proper decisions which can bring fortune for our beloved state and can bring prosperity to the people who really gave their land for the factory.
I am sure honest people all religion understand that azaan or anjali of a political animal is purely opportunistic show of support. Muslim vote bank is the new treasure box that she has discovered. Hope Allah grants the prayers of millions of honest faithfuls that a handful selfserving posers.
In Singur area, a farmer can expect a net profit of Rs.6000-8000 per bigha plot in a year if water from irrigation canal is assured and there is no natural calamities i.e. Rs.500-670 per month. If he received the minimum compensation of 3 lakhs for his one bigha plot and deposits the same as fixed deposit with a nationalized bank he will receive Rs.2375.00 per month as interest. If he deposits it at a post office for 6 years, he will receive Rs.2000 per month as interest and an additional Rs.15000 bonus after 6 years. In either of the cases, the farmer will earn more than his agricultural income.
With so much controversy over land issues in Singur, I found there are many misconceptions. I want to draw attention of readers to an article by V.K. Ramachandran published in The Hindu on 22.08.2008 regarding land reforms in West Bengal. The article may enlighten readers about the ground reality. Please read it at
http://www.thehindu.com/2008/08/22/
stories/2008082255051100.htm
It was published in Economic Times a few days back that the tout Becharam manna has sold his own land which was in the vicinity of the tata project at a much much higher price as the price of land in Singur has blown up after the tata-s set up the project. Why did becharam sell his land when he is strongly against it.
Also I read in The Telegraph that the daily expenditure of the "DHARNA" is near about 1Crore. Its been 12 days now... so can Ms.MB provide an explanation for the flow of money bcos parties like CPI(ML), SUCI, PDS and TMC together dont have the stature of having a cash flow of 12Crores.
Now coming to the main topic....
There must have been some miscommunication by the govt. but that could have been solved by means of talks. A "andolan" on the demand of returning 400acre land on which construction is done is simply baseless. If TMC wanted to do a benefit to the farmers they cud have demanded for a better compensation package, better terms n conditions.... but wat they r doing is simply hurting the farmers more....
12days gone in the dharna... not even a single unwilling farmer went up on the stage and expressed his/her unwillingness... now the question lies... are there any unwilling farmers??? or is it the farmers who r the TMC supporters also, have been commanded by their supremo MB to be unwilling?!?!?!?!
What mamata is doing... the next generation will never forgive her...
All said and done Mamata is not fighting for the cause of the "so called farmers. It is in fact a political he is holding the state of WB as ransom. It is hard to believe that she does not know what it means in case TATA\leave Singur, she does not care. Her political ambition comes first. Let the country go to hell. The people of WB must come up and speak their mind otherwise we shall have nothing but darkness.
All said and done Mamata is not fighting for the cause of the "so called farmers. It is in fact a political ambition that she had been nursing for so long i.e. the chair of the CM and she is holding the state of WB as ransom. It is hard to believe that she does not know what it means in case TATA\leave Singur, she does not care. Her political ambition comes first. Let the country go to hell. The people of WB must come up and speak their mind otherwise we shall have nothing but darkness.
For the people who are raising questions on the compensation and nature of acquisition, here are some thoughts:
- The GoWB had actually payed a price twice that of the market rate BEFORE the Tata factory came up
- The rates of the land are now high AFTER the Tatas have decided to invest
- For people saying that the GoWB should have paid more, isnt't that a fundamental part of any valuation that the seller may not necessarily get the value that the BUYER will create in future ?
A few more thoughts :
- when we talk of greater compensation on such norms, we are paying land prices at higher rates due to the market economy that boosts prices once an industrial investment is made. How is it that committed ultra leftists are parroting such a solution, that depends on the market prices ? Since when is market the king ?
- As Ratan Tata said today "Singh-gur" is the key. Who funds TMC - is the money being routed via the new leaders on TMC's dharna manch
Three further thoughts to ponder :
- why is the introduction of new capital (Tata, Selim group, IT companies in Rajarhat) being so fiercely contested by TMC and the ultra left (BTW, one should have seen some of the jokers in the Sector V TMC rally yesterday, wonder which IT company employs them). Is it because the old capital in West Bengal feel threatened by the introduction of such new capital and ask their counterparts in the croney capitalism nexus (politicos) to agitate. For every Tata coming in, the importance of old capital in Calcutta from a particular community goes down
b) Have you seen who funds Suvaprasanna's paintings (goto Raichak and see) or Aparna Sen's films (see who the producers are. If they are beholden to providers of old capital, isn't it expected that they will agitate
c) Who funds Statesman (the media company that has played around with employees provident funds) or Bartaman or Pratidin. Each is funded by old capital (stevedores et al).
Think and then decide who you want. Else, we may all start contributing to novels by the name of Cry, Beloved Bengal
Whatever Mamata Banerjee is doing keeping in mind short the term political gains is surely detrimental to the progress of the already economically backward state of west bengal.This is just a petty game of politics that is pushing the state to the verge of death.Its true that the Left Government has committed several mistakes in the past for which generation of bengalis had to suffer.But now when they have realised their mistakes to some extent(thanks to Mr.Bhattacharya) and trying to overcome their faults,we should all unite and support them,keeping aside the post-mortem of their past deeds.Saving the Singur project is the need of the hour. Mamata Banerjee according to me is nothing but a frantic hooligun who can do any act for the rejuvenation of the "white-washed"TMC and she has realised that this so called agitation "for the poor people of bengal" can be a key to regain the lost hold of the party.On the other hand TATA has a reputation of not only being one of the bigger companies of the world but also of being the most relaible indian firm to its employees.I don't think that TATA does anything only for making money,they do it for the general good also.
I would like to say that im just 19 yrs of age,a student in a university,and i have posted whatever i feel from the point of view of a middle-class urban teenage boy and i am also not involved with any political party.People with different views are of course welcomed by me.But i feel that we should all keep aside our own political views and hope for the betterment of our motherland.So 3 cheers to the NANO project...and wishing it a grand success on the soil of our state West Bengal.
Thank you.
It is heartening to note Abhishek Chandra's views and comforting to note that the tomorrow of Bengal is in sensible hands.. The people of Bengal should unite in opposing Ms. MB's psychotic antics which are going to spell doom for our state...
People who are really intersted to know the solution to this whole issue,i recommend a novel for them to read.
Its a novel by Anita Desai composed long back named "A Village By the Sea".I request all bloggers to please arrange for this book and give it just one reading.I am sure it will be immensely helpful in fixing this issue.
Thanks Abhishek, and congratulations for sensible thinking. I am over 50s, have witnessed lots of misdeeds, have mostly bitter experiences, and of course, some pleasant experiences. Your comments to me are silver lining among dark clouds. God bless you.
i could not but help noticing that on Singur Dharna Manch that these so called new champions of the poor and malnourished are themselves all exceptionally well nourished
the incredible poem was posted in by a friend in orkut, accompanying a picture of Shrimoti Banerjee
aaj utsab paliyeche tata,
sumon kothay- bajare shongata,
keno eschechilo, bhondo IT?
ekhane khaad khulona bhaiti
e natok noy shukno peter,
puro scriptai corporater
noirajyer aakle chinho
taka pathaben amar singho
aay becharam, madan,partho
natok bechcheche shonali, bratyo
bangla ke kore londo bhondo,
shesh cine debo 'mrityudando'
Just read the portion of the agreement published in the WBIDC site and you will understand how the NANO has become eeklaakhi.Here are some portions --- (a) WBIDC will provide Industrial Promotion Assistance in the form of a
Loan to TML at 0.1% interest per annum for amounts equal to gross VAT
and CST received by GoWB in each of the previous years ended 31st
March on sale of “Tata Small Car” from the date of commencement of
sales of the small car. This benefit will continue till the balance amount of
the Uttarakhand benefit (after deducting the amount as stated in para 7b
and 7c below) is reached on net present value basis, after which it shall be
discontinued. The loan with interest will be repayable in annual
installments starting from 31st year of commencement of sale from the
plant. ---
WBIDC will ensure that the loan under this head is paid within 60 days of
the close of the previous year (on 31st March) failing which WBIDC will
be liable to compensate TML for the financial inconvenience caused @
1.5 times the bank rate prevailing at the time on the amount due for the
period of such delay.
TML & GoWB will make best efforts to maximize sale of products from
the “Small Car Plant” in the State of West Bengal.
Add with this a loan of 200 crores (from govt of west bengal)at 1% interest.And instalment payment of this loan will start only from
21st year from year of disburtion of loan.Just calculate cumulative banking interest of the amount for 20 years and you know the secret of 1 lakh.It's no tech marvel,it's hundreds of crores of public money given by wb govt to TATA that has made it possible.Go to the link www.wbidc.com and see the full published portion of the agreement.
Now I have a question.Who is poorer
TATA or the farmers of SINGUR?
West bengal is a state where 18% of primary schools had no room,18% had just one room and 23.1% had just two rooms(as on 1997,source-human development report 2004:UNDP WEST BENGAL).Don't expect that all these have changed in 11 years.I can continue for pages with stats.
After all those industrialisation GUJRAT(RS 34157) is still behind PUNJAB(RS 36759) in per capita income as on 2005-06(source www.pbplanning.gov.in).I am not against industrialisation(I works in the largest govt oil company)but ofcourse against factory on fertile lands.Remember you cannot make a factory which produce fertile soil.You may earn crores per day but after all you have to eat some thing at the end of the day.
SD, obviously you are against industrialization of West Bengal or for limited industrialisation in West Bengal, for 90 percent of West Bengal soil is fertile
Calcutta, Sept. 9: The legal adviser to the governor has told The Telegraph that “there was no talk of 300 acres” at the meeting between Mamata Banerjee and Buddhadeb Bhattacharjee on Sunday.
“I was present at Sunday’s meeting between the chief minister and Mamata Banerjee. There it was decided that a few acres of land from within the project area would be given to the farmers who have not yet collected the cheques, but there was no talk of 300 acres,” former chief justice Chittatosh Mookerjee said tonight.
The revelation, which contradicts Mamata’s claim that prompted the Tatas to seek a clarification from the government and keep work suspended at Singur, is certain to add to the mounting pressure on the Trinamul Congress leader to defuse the crisis.
Mamata’s interaction with Jyoti Basu and the reluctance of her party to get involved with the hunt for alternative land outside the Singur complex have fuelled speculation that she might not be averse to scaling down her demands.
“Even in the resolution, the word ‘maximum’ has been mentioned as the maximum possible that could be handed over at the project site. If both sides take extreme positions, then the matter will never be resolved,” Mookerjee, who provided legal assistance during the talks, added.
Mamata has been insisting that the Sunday statement — which mentions “land to be provided to the maximum within the project area” — meant most of the allotment would be from inside the complex.
A few hours before Mookerjee’s disclosure, a Raj Bhavan official said governor Gopalkrishna Gandhi was “pained” at the way the spirit of the agreement was being “misinterpreted”.
“The Opposition claim that most of the land in the rehabilitation package would come from within the project area goes against the spirit of the agreement and the governor is pained by its misinterpretation,” the official said.
Gandhi today met Mookerjee and state advocate-general Balai Ray separately, apparently to seek views on how to clear the air. Chief secretary Amit Kiran Deb and home secretary Asok Mohan Chakrabarti apprised the governor of the outcome of the first meeting of a four-member committee on Singur land.
“The governor was told that two members of the committee (Trinamul representatives Rabindranath Bhattacharya and Becharam Manna ) were insisting on the return of 300 acres of land from within the project site,” an official said.
Sources said the relevant sentence in the first draft was “to the maximum extent possible” but the word “possible”, which would have precluded any ambiguity, was dropped on the Opposition’s insistence.
Trinamul leader Partha Chatterjee, one of the signatories of the statement, refused either to confirm or deny the version. “There were so many drafts and so many changes. I don’t know whether there was any such word or not. What matters now is that the government agreed to the final draft,” Chatterjee said.
Sensing a minefield ahead, Trinamul today sought to cry off the land hunt. The agreement requires the party to “co-operate” with the government in finding land inside and outside the Singur complex for rehabilitation of landlosers.
But Bhattacharya, the Trinamul MLA from Singur, and Manna, the leader of the Save Farmland Committee, said neither the party nor the resistance outfit would assume the responsibility. “Acquiring or securing land cannot be our job,” said Bhattacharya. “It’s the government’s job.” Manna echoed the sentiments.
The two know well that seeking to find land in Singur will be akin to playing with fire, especially with prices going through the roof and potential sellers biding their time to make a bigger killing.
The duo also made it clear to the rest of the panel members that their brief was to “go through” the papers and “not to sign anything”, lending credence to a perception that Mamata had deliberately put lightweights on the committee. “In the event of unfavourable findings, she can always say the party nominees could not present their case properly,” a Trinamul leader said.
Mr. Anonymous has cleverly bypassed my logics and stats.
First thing first.WB has 63% of it’s total area under cultivation and another 13% under forest cover.
I surely will not argue with someone( regarding fertile soils )
Who doesn’t know the difference between the soils of
PURULIA & SINGUR .
The hundreds of crores wb govt has donated to TATA if
used properly could have changed lives a few hundred thousands in wb.Remember as per the latest NSSO survey
the percentage of rural household not getting enough food everyday in some months of the year was highest in wb (10.6%) followed by orissa (4.8%).This survey was conducted in 2004-2005.The least affected were HARYANA
& RAJASTHAN.Iterestingly Orissa(Rs16306) & Rajasthan
(Rs16800) both the states had much lower percapita income
than wb(Rs.22522) as on 2004-05(source -www.pbplanning.gov.in).
Let’s welcome the TATA’S if they can bring some cheers to
the lives of these people with NO NO.
Ofcourse some people will be benefited if the NANO PLANT is made at SINGUR but the way TATAS are being
glorified is simply not acceptable.If a NANO plant could change the face of BENGAL then BIHAR & JHARKHAND should have been the most industrialized &
rich states of our country.Bengal will be ruined if TATAS leave WB-----better you the people who think so should leave Bengal.
Industry is welcome but not at the cost of hundreds of crores of public money and fertile lands.
If ultimately TATA NANO comes from the SINGUR plant
at a price tag of 100000/- all credit should go to the wb govt not theTATAS for achieving the price target.
SD , you talk as if Industry is dying to come to Bengal at any cost.Industry is welcome!!??? Industry is indispensable for survival in the emerging Industrialised India. And for that Industries need to be built on Land, not up on the sky.
We as people of the state need TATA more than TATA needs us. Therefore, we went and invited them. When every other state is offering them tax breaks and discounted infrastructure to put the project up there, it is common sense that we will get the project only if our offer can compete with that.
If I can remember we studied that Manufacturing plants look for certain things that Tatas found at Singur. Why should they be bothered to go to Purulia just because we want them to.
you are saying that a high percentage of rural people donot get enough food in WB but you happy to keep them as rural and as starving!!??I donot understand your logic.
I donot know how hugely positive the impact will be if Nano plant gets going, BUT I SURELY KNOW HOW NEGATIVE IT WILL BE IF IT DOES NOT. Maybe that is what people like you want anyways, SD. Destruction of Bengal as a viable state for industrial growth. You cry your lungs out for Singur land piece as if this is the last piece fertile green soil the Bengal can hold on to. Moreover, the owners of the lands are happy to trade in but people like you have a problem with that.
Maybe WB government can call shots after steady industrialisation for sometime, but it is not in a position right now. Need of the hour is industrialisation. Donot keep rural people starving for purpose.
Seeing all these blogs, I came to the conclusion that at least some persons are questioning like fools. Will any of the "anti-acquisition for industry" buy some land in remote infertile land in Purulia or Bankura to set up a house for him? I am sure, he will choose the best place he can afford where he will get every/maximum opportunity to settle. He will try a place, where he will get market, school, hospital and other necessary items nearby.
MB is trying to stop TATA Nano project on the behest of a Auto Manufacturer. This is open secret. In her party rally the "haal" was seen upside down. One can browse newspaper sites for the photo.
Those, who are young does not know on whose farmlands the famous Narendrapur Ramkrishna Mission was built. Same for Jadavpur University Campus. These two are only tip of the acquisition iceberg.
Law abiding citizens know that MB loves to break law, can ignore SC verdict also. HC Judges who are not afraid of give ruling against the WB Govt, are very much afraid of a ruling against MB by saying "what HC can do?" in case of a Bandh call by her.
Filthy language is her style. Only she can use Mobile Phone in the meeting with Governor where common etiquette calls for switching off mobiles for participants.
True, CPM has many loopholes. But still that party is trying to boost up WB. Every one knows that a cyclist must have injuries suffered in his learning time.
I gave the reference of PURULIA regarding fertile land because MR.ANONYMOUS claimed that 90% of wb land is fertile.
Nearly hundred years back TATAS established a city named JAMSHEDPUR(OF COURSE THEY MADE THEIR STEEL PLANT THERE).They did it from scratch.Don,t you think richer,wealthier bigger TATA cannot do it in 2008?Of course they could do that again in any other place where infrastructure is not so industry friendly.TATA has the guts and the financial strength to do it with aplomb.It seems TATA has come to wb for making profit only.Yes a corporate house must make profit to sustain but there is a thing called 'corporate social responsibility'.
A state welcomes an industry because it generates employment for the people and revenue for the state itself.
It is impossible for the govt of wb to make any revenue in near future from TATA plant keeping in minds the hundreds of crores of subsidy it has given to TATA.Remember more than 12000 people has been evicted from their land and they were not beggars.An ultra modern car plant; purposefully built to make the cheapest car of the world---- how many will be employed directly --it is anybody's guess.Triple that figure and you will be still behind the employment fig. generated by those 1000 acres of land throughout the year.
Mr.Anonymous a simple question to you,if the people of SINGUR were so happy with the 'trade in' then why CPM has been washed away from SINGUR in the last panchayat election?
Read the detail of the agreement---here is some portion---------------" the TML & GoWB will make best efforts to maximize sale of products from the “Small Car Plant” in the State of West engal."
So it the duty the duty of a democratically elected communist state govt. is to maximize the sale of not only NANO but "products
from the small car plant".BRAVO!!!!
WHAT A FANTASTIC JOB FOR A STATE GOVT.!!!!
Why don't you counter the stats and figures posted by me.Before shouting TATA TATA or INDUSTRY INDUSTRY just spend few minutes and think what benefit we get and at what cost!Be logical,be sesible.
TATA is taking hundreds of crores of loan at an interest rate ranging
from 0.1% to 1% from a financially bankrupt state like wb & WBIDC.WHY?There is even a clause for penalty if WBIDC cannot disburse the loan in proper time frame.Should not we condemn all these conditions?
MR.Anonymous please tell me what good the 'TATA plant at SINGUR'will do to the starving tribal belt of BANKURA,PURULIA and some parts of PASCHIM MEDINIPUR.You must agree with me that the farmers of SINGUR were not a starving lot.Had TATA the courage and good will to make the plant in any of these three districts the socio economic conditions of those areas could have been changed forever.If JINDALS can do that why not TATA?
MR.ANONYMOUS, ofcourse SINGUR is not the last piece of fertile land in wb but I can tell you for your information that fertile land degradation is a problem not only in wb but throughout the world and it has reached an alarming proportion.Just surf the sites of UN or FAO and you will easily know it.
Before comparing(comparision may come sooner than later)the usage pattern of land with the developed and industrialised country we must improve the agriculture to the level and technology their agriculture comfortably sitting in.One boundary condition here "POPULATION EXPLOTION".
MR.KABIR,the woman called MAMATA may lacks some sense of etiquette
but her's is surely much much better then BINOYBABU who openly calls his party suppoters to show the OPEN BUTS(and they did it for real)to Medha Patkar and others.And ofcourse there is no
'contempt of court' case pending against MAMTA for insulting language used against honourable high court judges.
My earnest request to all bloggers.....plss stop spitting on each other and respect the views of others...we are all men of the same land.......
Some of us are talking about the fertility of the Singur soil as compared to the barren tracts of Purulia.......well.....there is infact no doubt that singur soil is more suitable for agriculture.....but i must say that industriallisation depends on lots of other very important factors.....some of these include transportation in the form of highways or river,proximity to a port for import and export,a readymade market to absorb the products,a metropolitan nearby,anicillary industries,availabitlity of water for industrial use,cheap local labour....and loads of other matters have to be kept in mind while setting up such a mammoth industry.Singur satisfies almost all such criterias and hence had been considered to be the most suitable site for construction of the plant by the industrial stalwarts of the nation.(And as far as i know,the productivity of singur had been quite poor in recent times)
One can't surly say that Bengal would be ruined if TATA leaves the state....but none can denie the fact either that the singur incident has already cast a negative impression about state politics on the minds of the business tycoons(as clear from the comments made by Narayanmurthy,though Mittal differs)
Ms. Banerjee's apparent psychotics aimed at the rivival of her "one-lady party" is nothing but detrimental for the state.A poster previously had stated that jharkhand and bihar despite housing TATA industries ar rated among the poor states of india.I would like to say that the industrial zones set up by the pioneering business group of india
is totally devoid of any mark of poverty and backwardness that are prevalent in other parts of the same states.Ms. Banerjee does not want to understatnd the fact that Singur can be made another "TATA Nagar" when she demands the lands back for the "unwillings".
But as far as things are going,i think the hindarances will be overcome soon.TMC should be grateful to the government for chalking it a way out from the soup that they were in with their agitations.On the otherhand, the government has made a fool of TMC by apparently accepting the claims when TMC seeing a way out did not even bother to think about the underlying loop-holes in the considerations that will prevent the govt. from taking any such measures(the laibilities of the pact with TATA and law postulates involved that will act as hinderances).So i think the works will be restarted very soon,and the factory at singur will be a reality even though it misses the oppurtunity to launch the cheapest car of the world.
Ofcourse Tata has come to do business profits and not for charity. but if people are able they will make a positive outcome from TATA
maybe TATA will not employ mamy from Singur. But it will need people from somewhere not ghosts..these people will need thousand types of services which people of singur can provide by self employment, opportunities will be there but if you just want to do a Jawb! then ofcourse it will not land in a platter
as for election results, Singur was already a Trinamool Seat for the last three elections, it is not as if they suddenly voted against govt because of Singur.
yes, there is fertile land degradation etc, looming food crisis etc, but why pick West Bengal a, poorly industrialised state in India. Why don't you take your Andolan to other highly
industrialised places all over the world?
The imbalance in West Bengal in tilted towards agriculture so TATA project could create some balance. I am not against improvement of agriculture but against GM foods. I cannot see how starting a Motor plant is against improvement of agriculture
What Benoy Kongar's men did in a lifetime is an exception, but for Mamata that is the rule, that is how she runs her political life
I work in a plant of a FORTUNE 500 listed indian company and I am quite aware about the preconditions of establishing a factory.
Still I couldnot support the way TATA has been given the undue advantages and all the other things wb govt has done regarding establishing the NANO plant at SINGUR.And why I donot support the plan that I have explained in my earlier posts with datas and logics(from my point of view). I donot support all the things did MAMTA either.
MR ANONYMOUS had correctly said that no mamy would get a job.OFCOURSE because MAMTA didnot donate them hundreds of crores.
A unskilled contractor labour in my factory gets about Rs80/day.And he gets the job only after registering his name with the local party/union(which party ?it's anybody's guess)office.Barring the direct employments done by the company all the other casual workers must pass the test of loyalty (whom---not to MAMTA ofcourse)to get a casual/contractor worker job in the factory.And he must submit a recommendation letter in the recruiting party/union office from a local(the place he belongs)leader(not mamy).
Yes the local MLA of SINGUR was from TMC but why didnot the farmers of SINGUR vote for CPM if they were so satisfied with the deal?Please donot sight a logic bad like this one, MR.ANONYMOUS.
Every bad things the CPM leaders do are exception.This logic should be awarded THE LOGIC OF THE YEAR.
Anyway I am not here to do any andolan and I cannot do that either.Only the communist party of india has the right to do that in west bengal.
Dear friends
I have gone through few of the comments in the matter of Singur and Tata's Nano factory. Many of the comments are far away from the fact and as such, I feel it necessary to raise certain basic points and let the readers decide what is right and what is wrong.
My experience by spending some time on few occassions including the current agitation, I am of the opinion that farmers of Singur have been forced to make sacrifices to pave way for the greedy industrial house that had laid eagle eyes on their farm land. While Mr. Ratan Tata, the fifth generation industrilist blackmails the people of West Bengal to MOVE, the same person before a year or so had categorically stated that even at Gun pointed on his head, he will never move out of SINGUR.
There is no valid point in the arguments that ancillaries should be positioned as baby in arm. Few questions are raised by me here below. Answers to the same may be of help to remove dust from the confusions in the minds of many.
1. Is it not true that Tata group chairman Ratan Tata announces small car project at Singur on
the day when Buddhadeb Bhattacharya was sworn in the Chief Minster of W. Bengal? Is it a mere coincidence? The news published in Economic Times of May 18, 2008 will throw more light on the same.
2. Gujarat Auto makers are going to supply auto parts to Nano. This has been published in some magazines about a year back that stated that engine and other parts for Nano are to be manufactured in Gujarat. "Delay in project worries auto parts makers in Gujarat" and also Gujarat auto parts makers see reliable partner in Tata;
Economic Times, India - 3 Sep 2008.
Profit, loss and price pressure apart we are always with TATA and can cater to any of its facility either in Singur, Pantnagar, or even if they choose Pune ...BOM:505712
3. I also share with you all what Mr. Ratan Tata has stated in a large full page interview that was published on 07-02-2007 in the Main daily news paper of Italy IL CORRIERE DELLA SERA.
Interviewed by Danilo Taino, who previously published a couple of enthusiastic articles about what he calls "capitalismo d'assalto" ("energetic capitalism") featuring 'new Shining India'.
And here is the crucial question:
Danilo Taino : "What about the production facilities?"
Ratan Tata : "We will produce it for the 50% in a new plant in West Bengal (where there are some political problems that Tata minimizes - the interviewer is accurate enough… to add).
For the remaining 50% we will encourage the creation of a number of small assembly shops, low cost, all over India. This will be our contribution to the entrepreneurship among the youth of India."
When half of the cars are to be assembled at many locations in India, the very logic of Ratan Tata to have land for ancillary units close to the plant in the same premises sounds hollow. He is not ready to go to the other side of the road opposite to their plant for ancillary units but is silent on the assembly lines that will be set up all over the country.
Secondly, when the auto parts makers from Gujarat are already lined up, the hue and cry of setting up of ancillary within the premises blasts off and that the need of the land of 1000 acres also comes in for close scrutiny that needs to be reexamined by experts and definitely not by Mr. Nirumpam Sen and party (proper word should be "GANG" in the prevailing circumstances) who have proved at Singur that they are the bunch of most inefficient persons.
4. All noises are made in the name of creating employment for the youth of West Bengal. Fine. Where is the exact figure of employment that will be created at Singur plant? Government of West Bengal must issue a public statement as to how many of the local youth will be given permanent employment in the Singur plant as well paid staff and not as a poorly paid daily wage earner under a contractor, as is the habit of the house of Tatas and other industrial houses. As per a report, the final figure which we believe is less than 500 persons.
5. As per our information, there will be no revenue generation for next thirty years as liberal
Monetary concessions have been granted as sops to the Tata Motors, besides giving the 997
acres land virtually free of cost. Government of West Bengal should make a public statement
What will be the revenue generated and deposited in to the treasury of the government of West
Bengal each quarter wise, with the production and sales of Nano from Singur Plant. [This has
becomes necessary to know after we get the news that half of the Nano cars will be assembled
and sold from different part of the country. In that case, why the farmers of Singur are forced
to make sacrifices for the employment that is to be created elsewhere.]
6. Why market rates of the land is not paid to farmers? The payments made to the farmers is about Rs. 10 to Rs. 11 Lakh per acre against the market price of over Rs. 65 lakh per acre now and all set to touch 80 lakh and above in near future. Mind it, it is not only because of Nano Car factory but because it is located on the main express way just on the outskirts of Kolkatta where any one can reach within shortest possible time. Large areas of land have been purchased by real estate / property dealers at market prices where huge housing complexes are proposed.
7. Where is the home work of the District Collector? District Collector has to declare that he/she had no choice but only option is to acquire the particular pieces of land at Singur, while acquiring land under colonial century old land acquisition Act.
Unfortunately some ignorant persons who are in the habit of talking Tom, Dick and Harry to accuse others with both eyes closed fails to understand the real issues concerned. Those who doubt the capability of farmers of Singur are living in day dreams. By raising fingers at their poverty and capability, those persons have insulted the farmers of Singur who are struggling to repossess their farm land that is under the clutches of the largest investor of the country.
Those farmers may be poor, illiterate but are capable enough to take their own decisions, and knows much better what is good and what is bad for them. Farmers of Kalinga Nagar, Nandigram and also at Singur have shown to the world, what they can do once they are firm on determination and get united.
Those who see Tatas Nano car project as the magic wand to solve the employment problem are living in a fool's paradise. Singur plant will generate employment to less than 500 persons. How many will loose their livelihood may be studied by going to Singur.
Pravin Patel
Human Rights Activist
Director, Tribal Welfare Society
PUBLIC EYE SWISS AWARD 2008 – NOMINEE
EMAIL : tribalwelfare@gmail.com
Mr SD is surely a MB loyalist. A loyalist sees no bad things. He shuts his eyes to that. When referred he refers to what the others are doing. This a blog posting, not a train compartment. Just try to be calm and understand.
Mr Tribal had referred to the price given to Singur landowners. The price given is much higher than 'the then' market price. Just think, if you buy a land two years ago at Rupees 1 lac per cottah do you agree to sell 'now' this property at 1 lac per cottah? You are talking absurd things. Just think, rationally, not as a loyalist. Land prices are not static. I can remember the price of gold at Rs.54/- per gram at P C Chandra in the year 1977. What is it now? Land prices are much more volatile in nature. Eastern Metropolitan Bypass was built by acquiring farmer's land. And the landowner got a paltry sum for his acquired land. But after the Bypass was built, the land prices shot to 1000 times higher. Don't misguide yourself to ruin yourself.
Mr.kabir it is better to be a follower of MB than B&B who can order to brutally kill or hell the life of the farmers of his own state for the sake of a Indonesian called SALIM.It,s a fantastic strategy of the BB loyalist like you;just tag MB loyalist or anti development whoever raise a voice. One request to both you & Mr Anon.,Without personally targeting me & others who are against, post logics & datas in details(of course not those speculated by you & Mr.Anon)in favour of your stand;counter the logics and statistics and questions I/we have raised against the TATA plant and that would be very healthy for the true spirit of this blog also.One humble question to both of you,do any one of you were born and brought up in a village?
Most of the people shouting in favour of TATA plant have never spent a significant portion of their life in a village of bengal.People like you love the jungles of concrete and dust and smoke and malls and inox and like to see every other place to be the same.Have respect for the likes of others also. Without doing sentimental attacks show some solid logics with the help of datas/stats from reliable sources to defend your stand.
SD said: "People like you love the jungles of concrete and dust and smoke and malls and inox and like to see every other place to be the same.Have respect for the likes of others also. Without doing sentimental attacks show some solid logics with the help of datas/stats from reliable sources to defend your stand."
-Dude....Concrete and dust and smoke and malls will come up regardless of whether Tata Motors comes in WB or not. Have you gone to the outskirts of Calcutta? A place called Sonarpur which was lush green a few years back is now a concrete jungle.. Only thing, it will be done haphazardly by promoters backed by both political fronts.. Tata will not only develop Singur , it will develop in more organized and sustainable fashion. So here the conflict is not between industry and agriculture but between promoter driven unplanned development versus planned development.
The natural traction of economy is towards industrialization. Like it or not the SDP/GDP out of agriculture is minimal and the only way to improve the lives of these rural people is through agriculture..This has been endorsed by noted economists time and again, including our very own Amartya Sen.
China realized this during Mao's "Great leap" and they are enjoying the benefits today. yes there will be pains alongs the way because any change has pains..To the Maoists who are camping with Mamata Banejee, they better read what Mao did during the "Great leap forward" of the late 60s.
Sorry..Corecting a typo.
SD said: "People like you love the jungles of concrete and dust and smoke and malls and inox and like to see every other place to be the same.Have respect for the likes of others also. Without doing sentimental attacks show some solid logics with the help of datas/stats from reliable sources to defend your stand."
-Dude....Concrete and dust and smoke and malls will come up regardless of whether Tata Motors comes in WB or not. Have you gone to the outskirts of Calcutta? A place called Sonarpur which was lush green a few years back is now a concrete jungle.. Only thing, it will be done haphazardly by promoters backed by both political fronts.. Tata will not only develop Singur , it will develop in more organized and sustainable fashion. So here the conflict is not between industry and agriculture but between promoter driven unplanned urbanization versus planned industrialization.
The natural traction of economy is towards industrialization. Like it or not, the SDP/GDP out of agriculture is minimal and the only way to improve the lives of these rural people is through industrialization..This has been endorsed by noted economists time and again, including our very own Amartya Sen.
China realized this during Mao's "Great leap" and they are enjoying the benefits today. Yes, there will be pains alongs the way because any change has accompanying pains..To the Maoists who are camping with Mamata Banerjee, they better read what Mao did during the "Great leap forward" of the late 60s.
SUDIP,I lived for four years at a place called GORKHARA in SONARPUR in my early twenties.I have a very soft corner for the place.
Here I want to give a clarification.In my last post I asked to give someone logics/stats supporting their stand.
There what I wanted to say that they must establish with logic the following points-----
1)Is it justified the way wb govt has given hundreds of crores of soft loan(@0.1%-1% for terms ranging from 20-31 years after which instalment will start)to financialy super strong company like TATA?
2)Is not it shameful for a govt to sign a pact to maximize the sale of their products from SINGUR plant?Is it the duty of a elected state govt to maximize the sale of a car of a company by signing an agreement?
3)If WBIDC cannot disburse the loan within 60 days of 31st MARCH of the last year(ending 31st MARCH) they will give an amount as penalty to TATA.What about that?
4)After how many years govt will start earning positive(clearing those outstanding bad subsidies) revenue ?You may call it break even.
5)And now that million dollar question.How many people will get employment directly or indirectly?
(More than 12000 has lost the same).[While sighting logic one must take into consideration the hundreds of crores(given to TATA)could have been used to create thousands of jobs by the govt itself]
6)Why wb govt did not publish the fool agreement?WB govt is not a corporate house so why did the govt agree not to disclose the agreement?
7)What will be resultant effect of the NANO PLANT after all these consideration on the economy of wb and what segment of the soceity will be benefited?
8)What is the basic duty of a state govt to promote a corporate house at any cost or to provide basic needs like good roads,hospitals,eletricity,education to the people of the state?
9)Why wb govt did not develop good infrastructure for industry in the last thirty years?
10)WB govt is posing in such a way that in every other aspect they have achievied the goal it is only industrialisation where they are lagging.NOW HAVE A LOOK-------
a]Percentage wise (10.6% as per last NSSO SURVEY)west bengal has maximum no of starved population in INDIA--almost 1 crore of them(West bengal is the largest rice producer in INDIA)
b]24% of the people still lives below povertyline.
c]13.23% of pattadars who have been alloted land have been evicted from their land.
d]Thousands of primary school donot have even a single room.
e]Thousands of schools are in dire need of teachers.
f]Only 28.1% of the land under cultivation has the irrigation facility.
h]Go to any rural health centre to see the miserable conditions the health centres are facing.
List may continue but I end it here.It is not that wb has done nothing in last 30 years the question is;what could have been done.
Mr.Kabir,some questions to you regarding your example of price of gold----
You tell me who is the loser;a farmer who willingly/unwilling sold his land for 1200000/acre for industrialisation or the one who sells his land just outside the plant area one year later at 6000000/acre?
I sold my land for industry and I am the loser then why should I sell?
And there is no question of livelihood associated with gold.
Unless the value appreciation of land after the plant has been set up and/or good packages are offered,incidents like SINGUR will continue to happen. Have you read the following news in today's TIMES OF INDIA regarding the DUNKUNI TOWNSHIP PROJECT?Read this one
"------The state government is charging DLF Rs 56 lakh per acre for the Rs 33,000 crore township project. But to the farmers, it has decided to pay a paltry sum of Rs 7 lakh per acre for fallow land, Rs 12 lakh per acre for multi-crop land and Rs 14 lakh per acre for homesteads. Where's the difference going? The government is pocketing it as "development charge"." It's not the statement of a 'MB LOYALIST' like me MR.KABIR!
sd, tahole apnader dhanda jami pherot peye beshi daame bikri korar? tai boltei paarten, krishi jami bachanor natok korchen keno
SD,
Unfortunately while I agree with some of your points, I do not agree on ruminating the past..What happened in last 30 years is not a concern here. We have a problem NOW and we have to solve it NOW. This is analogous to Bush's war on Iraq. Why USA invaded Iraq and the morality around it is irrelevant NOW. We can talk of impeaching Bush, but that will not solve the state of Middle East NOW. We can only move forward. Americans know that, Bengalis don't.
Also out of the last 30 years of Left Front rule, 15 years were when Soviet Union was alive. When Soviet Union was alive, lot of countries had a misguided ideology and thought that it would eventually succeed. Even Manmohan Singh's economic policy, for which he is often credited, came after USSR's demise.
So I would never judge Left Front's industrial policy over 30 years. I would judge it over the last 12-15 years.
MR.ANONYMOUS.
Taholeo chasi antata kichu taka besi pabe aar aapnar mato neta/caderder pocket ektoo kam bharti habe,ki balen?.SORRY, I had to reply in that way because you did so.
SUDIP,I agree with you,well almost.
MR.ANONYMOUS you are like SOME of your leaders who often vulgarise others and they do so because they lack the knoledge of etiquette,language and logic .
Answer the questions I have raised in previous posts.
It's a blog, not a class room where MR.kongar is the teacher.Logic- counter logic that should be the spirit.
FRIEND,I REQUEST YOU TO KEEP UP THE SPIRIT OF THIS BLOG.PLEASE, DON'T SPOIL IT.
ERROR in my last post:- KNOWLEDGE not KNOLEDGE.
SINGUR IS MORE A POLITICAL THAN SOCIO-ECONOMIC PROBLEM. THE PRCEDURAL MISTAKE OF AQISITION OF LAND AND HANDLIG OF THE PROBLEM IS MYSTERIOUS. THE QUESTION OF "JOY"AND "PARAJOY" IS FUNNY.IS TATA A POLITICIAN OR A BUSINESS TYCOON?EAST INDIA COMPANY CAME AS A TRADER AND BECME THE RULER.HISTROY IS REPEATING?
ha ha sd, kato commission chashi ke dite hobe apnader netader??, ta nahole chashi ra govt deal mene nite chaiche, kintu apnader netara korte deben na ..byapar ta to shei dikei chole jacchche mone hoy.
about answers to your questions, unless i verify your stats, i am not going to accept or argue
second of all as i said before, i cannot see how TATA plant and the need to improve to agricultural methods are conflicting.
as far as i see it, they are two separate issues, and they are both equally necessary for improvement of the state, so why obstruct one in demand for the other???
1) Why you have to give your designation and news of your nomination along with your post? Do you think that as a self described Human Rights Activist your words carry greater value than others? This is a place where different people are expressing their opinions and we should value these and not the person behind them. As a human rights activist don’t you think everybody has a right to express his/her opinion even when it contradicts one's own views?
2) Why are you desperate to connect the announcement of the small car project with the sworn in of the Chief Minister. Even more unfortunate is that you do not substantiate your vague claims. Kindly let us know what is the connection with facts and not your views based on some conspiracy theory.
3) Do you think that any new employment opportunity will be created for Bengal youths by this project? If the project gets stopped how many employment opportunity will be created.
4) When you mention that large areas of land has been purchased by promoters for developing housing projects do you mean to say that all these lands were not productive lands. Or are you trying to say that since they paid the market price building housing projects on farmland is ok?
5) You have also failed to mention when these promoters have acquired lands. After announcement of the small car project, or before. How do know that these projects have not been planned because of the Nano project?
6) You have gone poetic and emotional at the end of your post. But in the view of one of the Tom, Dick and Harry you have mentioned, namely mine, one issue is not clear. Are you upset that less price for the land has been paid or that land has been acquired at all. Nobody is questioning the courage of the Singur farmers or their rights. But are you suggesting their rights will be upheld by paying them the proper price of their land or by returning their land to them.
7) One last question. What is the shame in being the largest investor in the country? Though I am not sure from which source you have gathered this information like most of others in your post. If TATA group has invested more than anybody else in India, is it bad or good for the people??? Are you suggesting that any individual or group who invests in India is against the people of India? How we are supposed to earn our living then? In today's world can this "Tom, Dick and Harry" safely assume that it is not possible for all of us to earn their living from working in NGOs?
Few questions to Mr. Pravin Patel,
1) Why you have to give your designation and news of your nomination along with your post? Do you think that as a self described Human Rights Activist your words carry greater value than others? This is a place where different people are expressing their opinions and we should value these and not the person behind them. As a human rights activist don’t you think everybody has a right to express his/her opinion even when it contradicts one's own views?
2) Why are you desperate to connect the announcement of the small car project with the sworn in of the Chief Minister. Even more unfortunate is that you do not substantiate your vague claims. Kindly let us know what is the connection with facts and not your views based on some conspiracy theory.
3) Do you think that any new employment opportunity will be created for Bengal youths by this project? If the project gets stopped how many employment opportunity will be created.
4) When you mention that large areas of land has been purchased by promoters for developing housing projects do you mean to say that all these lands were not productive lands. Or are you trying to say that since they paid the market price building housing projects on farmland is ok?
5) You have also failed to mention when these promoters have acquired lands. After announcement of the small car project, or before. How do know that these projects have not been planned because of the Nano project?
6) You have gone poetic and emotional at the end of your post. But in the view of one of the Tom, Dick and Harry you have mentioned, namely mine, one issue is not clear. Are you upset that less price for the land has been paid or that land has been acquired at all. Nobody is questioning the courage of the Singur farmers or their rights. But are you suggesting their rights will be upheld by paying them the proper price of their land or by returning their land to them.
7) One last question. What is the shame in being the largest investor in the country? Though I am not sure from which source you have gathered this information like most of others in your post. If TATA group has invested more than anybody else in India, is it bad or good for the people??? Are you suggesting that any individual or group who invests in India is against the people of India? How we are supposed to earn our living then? In today's world can this "Tom, Dick and Harry" safely assume that it is not possible for all of us to earn their living from working in NGOs?
Sorrrry. One more question to Mr. Pravin Patel.
I am truly and honestly sorry to raise this issue. But so far my limited knowledge is concerned Public Eye Swiss Awards are normally given to organisations for their positive or negative contribution to society and not to individuals. When you mention this award in your post do you mean to say you were nominated or the NGO you are working for? Since this award is given based on the recommendation of various NGOs don’t you think nominating one of their own looks dubious.
While posting his or her statistics and arguments, Mr. or Mrs. sd said that he or she works in a "in a plant of a FORTUNE 500 listed Indian company" and he or she is "quite aware about the preconditions of establishing a factory". Very good. However,it may be interesting to know whether this plant has been set up on a farmland or uncultivable land or forest land or desert or in the sky? And, if it is on a farmland, then my humble question: is it not 'unethical' for you to work at such a company? Secondly, I also do not find any valid reason for Mr. Patel to declare his designation, award, email id, etc. unless he has a particular motive. There are so much talks these days about 'human rights'; but I doubt whether the activists themselves understand true meaning of 'rights". A farmer is a human beings; of course he has his right to earn. Similarly, an industrialist is a human being; he also has equal right. Supporting one, but denying others is not logical. For example, a street hawker has his right to earn; A pedestrian has his right to walk on the footpath without any hurdle. But what is our practical experience? We see that hawkers are encroaching footpaths and pedestrians are compelled to walk on the streets risking their lives. I am not suggesting to force out the hawkers from the footpaths; it is true that lots of families are dependent on them. What I want to say is that 'human rights' is not an one-sided matter. Until and unless the alarming growth of our population is controlled, until and unless unemployment problem is properly solved, violation of human rights cannot be minimized. I do not want to use the word 'eliminated' for obvious reasons. Only agriculture cannot solve unemployment and cannot sustain this massive population. We have to accept industrialization, whether one likes it or not, it does not matter.
Dear all
I preffer to submit my views with reference to the comments of Mr. Ghosh.
1) There is no denial that every body has a right to express their opinon. What is wrong if I write with full identity instead of using hidden short abbreviations / Names which is a common here. The words authored carry its own value on merit. It is up to the reader how he takes it. I leave it on others how they take it. It does not make much difference.
2) The fact revealed by the release of the part of the agreement is more than sufficient for any one to understand that the state has not made any effort to clinch a fair deal. Tatas have managed to get every thing they wanted but state has failed to secure its strategic interests. There is nothing to get excited or to get desperate while putting the facts on its face value. The fact remains that the day the present CM was sworn in, Nano project was announced by Ratan Tata. This can not be a mere coincidence. If every thing is fair, what is the logic in keeping agreement secret and even now vital portions are kept secret and not shared with the people in itself raises more doubts. Is this not sufficient? If there is nothing wrong in what has been committed by the state, then every thing should be made public. This is not done even now.
3) Tata Motors projects can not employ more than 500 persons. Who these 500 persons are? There will be only a limited number of youth of the state who will get chance. Don’t worry, wait and see, illusions will be over within no time. At no point of time, I have stated that the project should be stopped. It is up to the house of Tatas to decide what they want to do. I am fully sure, the way they have clinched the one way traffic deal with the government, they are not going to leave at any cost. Just wait and see the developments. We will have to wait for longer days.
4 & 5) Fact is that large areas of land has been purchased at market price which is much more than what has been paid to farmers of Singur. The land acquired for Tatas is highly fertile land and there is no denial to that. It is located on the expressway close to the city. Connecting road from the Airport and being located on the outskirts of Kolkatta, it has its own premium value. We will have to accept that it is a buyer and seller relation and the market forces that decides the rates. Yes, there is a jump in the rates after Singur was decided by Tatas but this theory applies every where. In Singur it works fast because of its proximity with Kolkatta metro city.
6) There is nothing to get upset. It is the farmers who are to decide what is good and bad for them. On the basis of my spending some time on few days with those farmers at Singur, I am of the impression that price is not the issue on which they are interested. They feel to have been cheated as by use of force they have been forcibly uprooted from their soil. Police has behaved as a private army of the Tatas and cracked upon them at their will, this has also hurted them a lot. If those farmers are interested in market rates, it is their prerogative. To which nor me or you or for that sake any one else has no right to interfere. My heart is with those poor farmers and share croppers, which I have stated earlier on and I repeat once again.
I would like to raise one question once again, where is the home work done by the Industries department as to the exact requirement of the land? This has not been discussed by you at all. Industries department officials before inking the agreement and signing MoU, they should have looked in to the exact requirement of land. Tatas knows that they are going to get at Rs. 1/- per acre and next it is nicely located. That is why they have asked for 1000 Acrea and has been given.
To know the truth, you need to visit Orissa and Chhattisgarh to see what the practice of Tatas at other places is.
7) Tatas are the largest investor of the country is not a secret for which they can be proud of. The behaviour shown at Kalinga Nagar, Gopalpur, Lohandiguda and other areas leads me to believe that the rights of poor are bluntly violated. What has happened at Singur and the case of Tapsi is also known to all. We can not overlook the incidents that took place on 2nd January, 08 at Kalinga nagar when live bullets on tribals who were agitating to protect the possession of their land. Land mines also blasted off on the Tata site that also injured many besides 14 tribals killed in the process. MD of Tata Steel calmly states to the journalists at Jamshedpur that such incidents have happened in the past, it has happened to day and will also happen tomorrow but our plant will come on that soil only. Any comments my friend! This is what I am against and it has nothing to do with investments.
8) Public Eye Swiss Awards are given to organisations for their exposing the misdeeds of a corporate house. Any individual can also submit but organisatins are prfered. I made my submissions on the advise of one of my friend who works for BBC, and had found my articles on a particular company fit for submissions. It is a normal practice for any one to represent the organizations they work. Though I made my submissions in my individual name, It was requested to take it in the name of organization. No recommendations are required but your submissions are verifed at various angles and lot more information are to be submitted to satisfy each and every query raised. I know, I had to submit more than 1000 pages as and when any query was raised. I am proud to be associated with an organization where there is no dearth of quality persons, all of whom are working purely on voluntary basis. We have MBAs, IAS, Engineers, IT Professionals, Bank officials and other professionals. We work in a team and at grass root level with people directly without engaging any agency. We contribute from amongst ourselves to work for the masses and do not depend on government or any funding agency, just to keep away from any one dictating their terms on us.
To conclude I must say that government of West Bengal has committed serious mistakes by blindly agreeing to the one sided agreement where give and take is not there but Tatas have Take and Take all for them. Singur and Pant Nagar in Uttaranchal is totally different scenario, unfortunately, it has escpated the notice of the Industrties Minister of the state. There is nothing to gain but loose every thing including peace. I have authored an article “Why so much noice at Singur” is shared here below.
With best wishes and regards
Pravin Patel
WHY SO MUCH NOISE AT SINGUR
For an investment of only Rs. 1500 crores
COMPARED TO JHARKHAND AND ORISSA
Where MoUs executed are worth
FIVE LAKH CRORE AT ORISSA
FOUR LAKH CRORE AT JHARKHAND
Land acquisition is a major hurdle
But very little Noise when compared to Singur.
We see in news channels, in print media, in discussion forums and people discussion Singur in the state of West Bengal and also at many other areas. This is definitely not a coincidence until and unless something is special about the whole thing. I would like to discuss about the whole drum beating of SINGUR, SINGUR, Singur… every where Singur… be it media, be it discussion forums or blogs, there is a hue and cry as if that with exit of Tata’s dream US $ 2500 / 2000 Euro or Lakhtakia car project from Singur, sky is going to fall on West Bengal. Illusion has been created in the minds of people of the state that the Tatas small project at Singur to assemble / make a small car is the ultimate solution to the unemployment problem of the state. However, there are many hidden faces that need to be exposed to clear the clouds of confusion. But state government prefers to hide them under the veil of secrecy confirms the doubt that every thing is not gold that glitters.
Ratan Tata himself stated before a year that even at gun pointed on his head, he will not move is the same person who now says though they have invested 1500 crore at Singur, they can move. People of Singur had not gone to Mumbai to invite him to take away their precious farm land but the day Buddhadeb Bhattacharya sworn as CM of West Bengal, Ratan Tata announced the Nano project to be set up in West Bengal. This can not be a mere coincidence. Double talk of Ratan Tata has proved beyond doubt that he is playing black mailing tactics to create further pressure on those persons in the corridors of power who have already bowed down before him on their knees. They with both eyes closed and shutters of mind pulled down, inked on the dotted lines to see that Ratan Tata cancels his ticket to the rural hilly interior terrain of Uttaranchal. There is hell and heaven difference between Pant Nagar and Singur. The agreement released recently further confirms what I state. Land is given virtually free of cost with a bonus of Rs. 200 Crore with a laughingly low rate of interest to be repaid after 21 years. Monetary concessions in shape of differed payment of VAT for 30 years and other sops are extra gifts. If every thing is fair, why Tatas had to go to Hon’ble High Court to obtain a stay to ensure the secret part of the deal remains secret. If it would have been a document with their 50 : 50 partnership with Fiat of Italy, or agreement with vendors or bankers it is a different matter altogether where secrecy is related to business but a welfare state inks a document and in a democratic country, people are not allowed to know what is promised by their government, to whom they have voted to power. Great !! Secrecy of the deal with state further confirms our doubt that even dipper conspiracy has been hatched. What are the hidden costs and at what consequences on the people of the state? Government knows that they are a welfare state and not an agent of an industrial house. They are answerable to the people. By not releasing the facts, creditability of the government and more particularly of Industries Minister who has totally failed to protect the strategic interest of the state and its people.
Comparatively small investment of Tata Motors, which will hardly employ 500 persons is not a solution to the unemployed problem. It is surprising to see lot of noise made in the matter of Singur. Sky is not going to fall on Singur or State if Tatas finally decides to move out. (I bet, they will never, never move out) No body on the earth is going to give them what they have received at Singur. Tatas know the problems in those states who invite him are much more and difficult. Five crore worth MoUs at Jharkhand, but not a single inch of land could be possessed. What has happened to the survey staff of Bhushan Steel, close to Tatanagar is seen by every one media. Kalinga Nagar, they are not able to put a single brick and at Chhattisgarh also, they are sailing in extreme rough weathers. POSCO with 52000 Crore investment is trying hard to even enter those areas on which they have set their eyes. Tatas knows much better than any body else how difficult the situation is elsewhere. National Highway 200 at Kalinga Nagar in Orissa was totally under seize for 14 months and economic blockade continued for few more months. This must be the world record of any National Highway blocked for so long. Few days of democratic agitation at Singur on express saw people from all sections of society, crying and shouting at top of their voice, as if the future of Bengal is at risk if Nano is born outside the state. This raises another question, why people of the state and more particularly the youth are under illusion?
Tata’s Rs. 10,000 crore green field steel plant project has also run in to difficult waters at Bastar in Chhattisgarh state. Tribals have strongly protested to give even an inch of their land. They are firm in their determination to resist any move of the state to forcibly displace them. No body should be surprised if another Nandigram or Kalinga Nagar at Lohandiguda is repeated, if state tries to act heavier on its own people. But no noise.
Now finally, there are confirmed reports that 1000 Nanos are all set to be born at Tata Motors Pune Maternity Home raises the curtain of another part of the drama. This may be a political gimmick to impress upon the people of West Bengal that we did it every thing, but farmers and few political persons who are opposed to industrialization, to the growth of the state, those who oppose for the sake of opposing. If the state plays game to create a similar impression in the minds of the unemployed educated youth, we should not be surprised. The famous proverb comes in my mind, “ One wrong spoken by 100 persons, makes others to believe it as right. This is the reality of Singur.
People of the state of West Bengal know what is good and what bad, politics apart. To those who want to see Singur as Jamshedpur should also visit the habitats of the people living in the periphery of that city or meet the workers at Tata Refractory at Belpahar and iron ore mines in Orissa, meet the victims at Tata Salt plants at Gujarat, they will see for themselves the truth. Clouds of illusion will vanish in thin air within no time. There are many stories to tell the truth. It is now up to the government of West Bengal, how they deal with the situation in the long term strategic interest of the state.
Pravin Patel
Pravin:
You have a bizarre logic-since the factory is benefiting a limited number of people (indirectly it could be many more), it should not be there. The fact that wealth distribution has not happened in a structurally feudal society like India is not Tata's problem. They did their bit. Do you think if we demolish the Tata establishment in Jamshedpur and return the land to the natives, Jamshedpur and hence India will be a better place? Redistribution of poverty does not help and agriculture tantamounts to lower SDP and hence poverty.
Also since you raised the point of "secrecy in the pact", it is well within the rights of the Government to provide incentives to attract an anchor investment.
Since you are spending time in Singur, you can possibly enlighten me on another transaction that people of West Bengal care more about.
Can you ask Miss Mamata Banerjee to publish the balance sheet/accounts of her so-called agitation in Singur? What is the source of funds that enable her to spend lakhs on food and amenities everyday?
West Bengal Government has already made the "publishable" part of the pact on the website. Now let Mamata publish her accounts on the web.
I am thankful that Mr. Pravin Patel has responded to my post. It is not his obligation to do so and he has every right to disregard my questions. Even then he has responded and I really appreciate his gesture.
But it would have been better if I could find the answers to my questions. I have gone through his second post carefully and still can not find any logic or evidence apart from his own conclusion without any proof that the Nano project declaration and the sworn in of the Chief Minister were connected. We are responsible for our comments and views in this forum and should be in a position to defend such big accusation with facts and not assumption.
It is also not clear from his reply if he believes that buying agricultural land and converting them into housing projects are ok. If you feel like kindly clarify your stand on this issue.
I also do not see where from he has gathered the information that only 500 people will be employed in the Nano plant in Singur. Even if this information is correct, my question was how many people will get jobs if the project goes elsewhere.
Mr. Patel should also clarify from his grass root knowledge of Singur and its people that whether the people who are agitating will continue to do farming if the land is given back to them or will they sell the same land at a much higher price.
From the tone and words of his post I think he considers TATA as an immoral and unethical group. Though the history of the group says otherwise, Mr. Patel has every right to his feelings. But because of this he should not be trying to spread unknown fears by writing about "longer days".
Lastly if he feels like he can clarify that the Public Eye Swiss Award he is talking about is the same one connected to Berne Declaration.
I think Mr. Patel confused all by stating "PUBLIC EYE SWISS AWARD 2008 – NOMINEE" against his name. In fact, he did not receive the nomination, but upon his organization's recommendation Holcim Ltd., a swiss cement manufacturing company currently working in India has been shortlisted for the award. A commendable work by the organization, no doubt; but still I would say that no credential is necessary for anyone to post his or her comment. It does not matter whether Mr. Patel's organization has MBAs, Engineers, etc. among its members. Nobody asked anyone to disclose his/her credential. 'Logical reasoning' should be the only criteria to be a good ethical blogger. Rabindra Nath Tagore, the great poet did not complete formal school and college education. But apart from Nobel Prize, he received honorary doctorates from several front ranking universities of the world. He never used Dr. against his name; never mentioned his honors under his name. Because he did not need it; his writings are enough to prove his exceptional intellect. There are more such examples. If anyone uses his/her credential to prove a point, it means that he/she has too weak logic in his/her arguments.
MR.ANBAS,
YOU HAVE GROSSLY MISUNDERSTOOD MY STAND.Being a person working in one of the largest factories in wb I am surely not against industry.But I am against the WAYS & CONDITIONS it is being done in SINGUR.I WON'T explain here what I meant to say by WAYS & CONDITIONS because I have done it thouroughly in my previous posts. I don't think it's unethical for me to work in a industry because while our plant was set up wb govt or WBIDC did not donate us ----
1) 200 crores @ 1% for 20 years
2)A whole year's(for some years) CST & VAT (EARNED BY WB GOVT)as a loan @ 0.1% for 30 years.
[They did not sign an agreement to maximize the sale of the produce of our factory either]
Neither our plant----
1)was set up on a multicrop land as that of SINGUR
2)nor it was set up by imposing 144
at POLICE PROTECTION.
My question is to you Mr.ANBAS,
is it ethical for a democratically elected state govt. to sign an agreement like this(requesting you to see in full in WBIDC site)with a corporate house?To whom does this govt. owe the responsibility anyway?If just a part of the agreement can raise so many questions think what would happen if it is published in full [and that's why TATAS HAD TO SEEK A STAY ORDER FROM THE HIGH COURT,AGAINST THAT].
Now please read the following--
Few years back our plant was in urgent need of some land for it's expansion plan worth Rs.2700 crores(NANO PLANT COSTS 1500CRORES ONLY).Just beside our plant there is a closed(for decades now) psu factory which has a huge amount of unused land in it.When our management approached through proper chanel the local administration(governed by CPIM of course) played the spoil sport by sighting logics so that we could not get the land.But, when a TATA group company(not TATA MOTORS)wanted some land within that factory premises they got it in SHORTEST POSSIBLE time and their factory has already become operational[Though lately we got the land].
OURS is a NON POLITICAL UNION and CPIM has never been able to capture it.
WB GOVT/CPIM don't want industry for employment+revenue generation rather they want it because of some other vested interest.
You have certainly read the SINGUR PACKAGE.Another fine piece of DHAP from wb govt.
It has been told that the 70(30+40) acres of land ---"janasarthe bayabaharer janya deoar prastab rakha hachche."SO what did they mean by 'janasartha'(public interest).They did not promised it to give it to the land losers,though they started the first point with a reference to the affected people.
There is no assurence of job either.It has been said"---pratakshya-apratakshya karmasangsthaner chesta karben".
Words have been chosen in such a clever way that no one(accepting this package) could raise a question regarding job or land.SHAME TO THIS GOVT.
One final question,why the govt is asking for 56 lakhs/acre from DLF for their 33000 crores DUNKUNI TOWNSHIP PROJECT while they(govt)are offering 7,12 & 14 lakhs/acre to the land owners depending upon the type of land.Rest amount[49-42lakhs/acre] the govt. is saying development cost!
Development of land or anything else!
I would also like to clarify one point mentioned by Mr. Patel. The unfortunate incident in Kalinganagar took place in January 2006 and not in 2008. This of course does not change the fact that a horrible incident took place there but making it current definitely changes the impact on readers mind. I also do not know from which source he has gathered the TATA Steel's Chairman's comments on this issue. Can we know the source please?
I also notice that he is a member of "Core Committee of Tribal Situation in Central India" which is an initiative of TATA Institute of Social Science. If he feels so strongly about the business practice of the TATA group why he has agreed to become a part of their social work?
Please note that I am not a TATA employee or CPM sympathiser. West Bengal is the state where I was born and grew up. I do not support all the activities of CPM. They have destroyed a lot of industries in the state through their aggressive and unjust politics. But I do not see what connection this has with Nano project in Singur. Depending only on agriculture no state or country has been able to improve the life of its people. When computers first came to India, West Bengal Government and CPM leadership rejected it. They did not have the foresight to see that neither they can not stop it nor that it can be beneficial to the people. We are still paying the price for this. A look at Bangalore or Hyderabad will prove this point. Please let us NOT make the same mistake again. Rapid industrialisation is taking place in other parts of India. It will happen whether we are part of it or not. This is nothing to do with any political party or any person in particular. This is about us, the people of the state. Just think about all the young people you know who has left the state to look for jobs and future somewhere else. Let us change that.
Mr.sd, I never misunderstood you. Your current post aptly describes your motive. There is no need to explain further. Secondly, being 'not controlled by CPI M' does not mean that your union is non-political. You have definite political motive behind your postings. Of course, there is nothing wrong to be political; but please don't pretend to be poor farmers' friend. MASKING DOES NOT ALWAYS CONCEAL A FACE.
Hello,
I don't understand the motive of Mamata and her gang. Now, it's all political. Read what the Governor said. She has no knowledge of economics. All she can do is nonsense agitation and disrupt great cause. To get good things you must give up something. If TATA goes, so goes the future of entire WB. The mistake CPM made with computer issue in 1970s, Trinomul is making the SAME mistake now. It will create more jobs and will put WB in the world map. We need jobs and economic prosperity and some long lost respect back from others. So, back off Mamata, let the industry begin.
Deb
Hello,
I don't understand the motive of Mamata and her gang. Now, it's all political. Read what the Governor said. She has no knowledge of economics. All she can do is nonsense agitation and disrupt great cause. To get good things you must give up something. If TATA goes, so is the future of entire WB. The mistake CPM made with computer issue in 1970s, Trinomul is making the SAME mistake now. WB needs job and economic prosperity and some long lost respect back from others.
Deb
Mamata is a modern political Shylock. She thinks people believe her version of the Rajbhavan story.
She is just proving to be just a selfserving leader, who has no foresight, almost no intelligence therefore absolutely incapable of being a Chief Minister.
Mamata seems determined to ruin the future growth of West Bengal for her own political gains... The trouble is she is good at instigating the uneducated populace with her "standing for the underdog" rhetoric.
There should be a concerted effort to educate the rural population about how harmful her actions are for the state, before it is too late..
Dear all
I pick up the comments of Mr. Ghosh, and also of Mr. SD. n the portion of what he states about employment to post my views.
The tripartite agreement between Tata Motors Ltd., Government of West Bengal and WBIDC that throws considerable light to build your own opinion.
At clause 1, it is stated that :
“Tata Motors Ltd was considering locating the plant in the States of Uttarakhand/ Himachal Pradesh in view of the fiscal incentive package for the rapid industrialization being made available by the Govt. of India to new Industries in these States which has been attracting a large number of industries to these States.”
Clause 2 reads as :
“The Government of West Bengal approached Tata Motors Ltd to persuade them to locate an Automobile Project including the project to manufacture “Tata Small Car” in West Bengal.”
From the above it is crystal clear that it was Government of West Bengal who approached Tata Motors and not Tatas.
As far as what the farmers of Singur do, my personal belief that they are interested to do farming only and have no idea of sales. However, it would be better, the decision is better left on the owner of the farm land who has to take a decision, I have nothing to say beyond this. But yes, when the lands of poor farmers are forcibly taken away against their wishes, the matter becomes public. It automatically invites attention of others as is the case with the unwilling farmers of Singur who are on the path of struggle to secure their long term interests.
Can I ask a counter question? While you feel that the Singur farmers on repossession should not sell their land, what is the logic to allow his neighbour to sell his land at Rs. 65 lakh or more? It is the duty of the state to see that level playing field is made available to all and at par. Let the state notify putting complete ban on the registration of sale deeds of land in the entire area. Who denies them to do so. The fact remains government has never consulted those farmers before their land was offered on a platter to Tatas.
About employment figures, the imaginary figure of employment runs from 5000 to 25000 in certain media and talk shows. Both direct and indirect. Just wait and see for few more days, things will be clear and illusions will evaporate soon. Why don’t ask the state government to categorically state to pressurize Tatas to come out with a statement that how many persons they are going to give permanent employment in their plant.
Here I would also like to react to what Mr. SD has stated regarding employment. I am in full agreement with him when he says that there are only assurances and no promises to give permanent employment to the local youth. The copy of the affidavit of the AGM of Tata Steel that has been made before the Commission of Inquiry that enquires in to the Kalinga Nagar killings of 2nd of January, 2006 also confirms what Mr. SD has stated here. Same is the language used in the MoU inked with Govt. of Chhattisgarh for 5 MTPA green field steel plant that Tatas are trying to establish at Lohandiguda in Chhattisgarh.
What will the farmers of Singur get on being employed? Daily wage at par with minimum wages! Is this employment? That is why I have used the word: ILLUSION. Lot more water will flow down the Hooghly before the bubble of illusion finally bursts. Conditions of workers at Tata’s Belpahar refractory may be studied that will put an end to all speculation.
Let me give an example. POSCO which has MoU for investing Rs. 52000 crore for a 12 MTPA plant in Orissa, states to employ over 25000 persons in their plant. Chief Minister of the state is with him while he makes the public statement. It makes news. We requested him to make an official statement but no answer. We also appealed to CEO POSCO to make an official statement. No Answer. It would be necessary to know that the same POSCO in its South Korean plant, built in 1991 has produced 12.6 Million tons in the year 2006 with less than 5000 employees. Moreover, the 12 MTPA capacities will be achieved only in three phases spread over 10-12 years, when that full figure of employment will be achieved. Unemployed youth are shown 25000 Lolly pops of employment, who eagerly wait for their turn to lay hands on those Lolly pops. Unfortunately, they do not know the facts.
There are many facts that are not known to the general public. This is one of the major reason why there is a general feeling amongst the minds of our people that Tatas are one of the best corporate houses of India. We must remember while we say so we keep in mind the history of the house of Tatas that was built brick by brick by Jamshedji Tata who was influenced by Swami Vivekananda and not Ratan Tata who prefers to behave as a dictator. When we talk of what is ethical, we need to look at the following to build our own opinion.
Tata Refractory Ltd, Belpahar in Orissa that is an environmental hazard. The matter was raised by a congress MLA with facts and figures and stated that the state pollution control board is a pigmy by not taking any penal action. Chief Minister Naveen Patnaik promised on floor of assembly that he will see that the unit is closed ; nothing has happened. Why? Is this ethical?
Well, let us go to another place in Orissa. Kalinga Nagar land was acquired by use of force from tribal farmers by paying them a very small amount starting from Rs. 26,000 to as high as Rs. 36,000/- per acre and leased to Tatas at a premium of Rs. 3,57,000/- per acre. Protests of the tribals is genuine but instead of that the efforts to start work even at the cost of using excessive force has resulted in death of 14 tribals killed by police bullets. Is this ethical?
Lohandiguda in Bastar in the state of Chhattisgarh is a schedule V area where provisions of the Panchayat Extension of Scheduled Area Act, 1996 are mandatory to be complied. But bypassing the stringent laws and legal protection available to tribals that protects their property rights, village council meetings were held under barrel of gun by fortifying the entire area, sealing all the roads that lead to those villages, declaring section 144 and arresting all those who took leadership initiatives just to ensure that predetermined decisions are translated in to the decisions of the village council, at least on paper by forming nexus with the state government. Is this ethical?
TATA STEEL inks MoU with Govt. of Orissa to set up a 6 MTPA green field steel plant asking for 2500 Acres of Land at Kalinga Nagar and gets 1960 Acres. After few years, they ink MoU for 5 MTPA with Govt. of Chhatisgarh. Though this Mou was also kept a secret document, it leaked as per which, Tatas had asked for 2500 Acres of land at Barupata and Salepal. However, in total contradiction to the same, it ended up with acquisition process on 5368 Acres of land (against requirement of 2500) at Lohandiguda (Barupata and Salepal forgotten). For a bigger 6 MTPA plant 1940 Acres of land and a smaller 5 MTPA plant on 5386 Acres of land. This is the reason why I doubt the need of 1000 acres of land for a small car project. Is this ethical?
It is not a secret that thousands and thousands of innocent residents of Bhopal have died in their sleep in the middle of night by the leak of poisonous killer gas by the Union Carbide. Victims of the gas tragedy still struggle for justice. There is a strong opinion against the company not only in India but all over the world. But there are serious efforts to revive that plant despite strong protests of the local people. May I ask you where will be your support? With the victimized persons and others who are protesting seeking justice or with those who are trying to revive the plant with some more activities though a back door entry? Remember, Ratan Tata is not the same face that Jamshedji Tata used to be. If some one supports those faces who are trying for a back door entry of the killer Union Carbide? Can we say, is this ethical?
We will have to agree on one point at least. Almost all the political parties be it of any colour, all are equally responsible for causing misery to the people of India by overlooking their genuine concerns and not consulting them as per the provisions of law. Excessive use of force by the state to please and pamper industrialists is not limited to Singur only. Unfortunately, all the parties be it Red in West Bengal, BJD in Orissa, BJP in Chhattisgarh and M.P. Jharkhand it is JMM + Congress and even Mulayam when he was CM, all playing the same tune. Though the personal image of Atal Bihari Bajpai and also Man Mohan Singh is clean, we have witnessed the moral of many of those elected leaders who have behaved in the Parliament. What has happened in the trust vote at Parliament is seen by people all over the world. Deals are stated to be settled for a price for remaining absent and also much higher price for a cross vote, all in terms of Rs. 5 crores to 25 crores. This indicates the level of our current political leadership. Secret deposits in Swiss Bank, we are at Number one position. From where this money comes? When this is the reality, instead of making petty arguments, it is necessary to see that the poor do not suffer and when he is in need, civil society works with them to protect their rights. Under present corrupt system of governance we may see worst days in the days to come with many more accidents beyond Singur.
Thanks to Mr. Ghosh, for correcting the year of Kalinga Nagar massacre as 2006 and not 2008 which is an error committed while typing. I must share here that I have submitted 73 page documents under an affidavit before the commission of inquiry that enquires in to the Kalinga Nagar killings that took place on 2-1-06. The statement that “MD of Tata Steel calmly states to the journalists at Jamshedpur that such incidents have happened in the past” has been published in Dainik Jagran News paper that has been released at Bhubneshwar on 31st of January, 2006. The name of the MD is Mr. Mutthukrishnan or Mutturaman or like that. This is also stated in my affidavit before the commission of inquiry in to the Kalinga Nagar killings.
Tata Institute of Social Science is an autonomous body where there are intellectuals from various fields from the three tribal populated states of Jharkhand, Chhattisgarh and Orissa. There are vice chancellors from various universities, Professors, Researchers, social activist etc from the three states. It is necessary to make it clear that though the initiative has been taken by Tata Institute of Social Science, the decision has already been taken before about a year that the TISS will phase out in phased manner to pave way for an autonomous independent body to which TISS could be a part. That is why the word “initiative” is being used. The name of Tata does not make any impact on my working as my focus is on the subjects and not on any person or persons.
It does not make any difference if some one is an employee of Tata or not or a member or a sympathizer of a particular political party. Since I found logic and weight in the comments of Mr. Ghosh, I felt it my duty to post my views and opinion. I am also born and educated at Kolkatta and love the city more than Mumbai or New Delhi. I also make it categorically clear that I am not at all interested in any political activities be it of any party.
We must realize the basic fact that yes, the mistakes have been committed over past many years and that to correct that mistake overnight by making an experiment at Singur with a comparative small investment of only Rs. 1500 crore is not going to make much difference, when there are projects worth several thousands of crores are planned elsewhere. People of the state will realize soon that Nano is not the ultimate solution nor is going to attract other industrial ventures if Nano sails smoothly. Business is run on purely profit motives and till the investors finds honey, they will make a bee line. The need is to create an investment friendly atmosphere and a neat and clean administration which perhaps is not in sight.
Singur is a classic and live example as a case study to see what happens when you ignore the stake holders, you do not do any home work, you surrender to the whim of an industrial house with both eyes closed, taking every thing for granted being in the chair to weild power, all in the name of development you give away every thing that is demanded on the earth by a fifth generation industrialists but miserably fail to get any thing in return.
I must say that the state has committed a blunder by not negotiating the deal in its true spirit and to safeguard the interest of the state. The secrecy maintained on a portion of the agreement puts the state in docks. What ever can be assumed on the basis of the disclosed part of the agreement, is that there is an Annexure -1 attached to the agreement which is definitely one of those secret document. A close study of the agreement would reveal what could be in the said annexure -1. It must have the modalities to reimburse by the state to Tata Motors, the amount of money that is equivalent to Central Excise and Corporate Income tax that will have to be paid by Tata Motors. It must have other monetary exemptions on account of VAT and other state taxes if any. If the said facilities are also extended to ancillaries, we should be surprised. If even one tenth of what the state has promised and paid to Tatas would have been made available to the technocrat unemployed youth of the state by asking them to develop an agro industrial venture jointly with farmers as the equity stake holders using potato as raw material, it would have set an example for others to follow and create an pleasant atmosphere for a win win for all rather than the present fiasco.
Naturally a change for the better tomorrow more particularly for the educated youth of West Bengal is the need of the hour. Until and unless there are serious efforts done in the right direction it can not be achieved. For that first and foremost thing that is required is to stop indulging in politics in each and every thing which is a common sight in West Bengal. This is extremely dangerous and root cause of all the troubles.
Though it may be difficult to agree that one can not improve by dependence on agriculture, but it is not true. We will have examples of world’s biggest cooperative of farmers in shape of AMUL in Anand of Gujarat that has made lives of farmers extremely happy. Take a series of cooperative sugar mills of Matrathawada in Maharastra, there also we find cash rich farmers. What is needed is a right approach; Give farmers what he needs, Irrigation facility, Quality Seeds, Genuine Fertilizer and a proper market. He will create lot more employment that what an industrial unit can do and also make every body happy.
I must conclude by saying that Singur accident could have been avoided but government whose role is of a regulator and not a facilitator, behaved like a helpless mother tackling to 70 year old eagle eyed fifth generation industrialist baby, crying for every thing on the earth.
I have authored another article titled “ SINGUR FIASCO – Why facts are ignored?” is also being shared here.
Pravin Patel
SINGUR FIASCO
Why facts are ignored?
While states pursues the policy of granting all sorts of favours to the powerful industrial and mining corporations, it has ignored the rights of farmers, tribals and poor people of the country. Brave policemen take no time to show their faces and bravery on the innocent poor farmers and tribals who agitate to protest against the injustices caused to them. They are never consulted nor they are taken in to confidence but the only task on the list of the state governments is to drive them out of their only source of livelihood even at the cost of forcibly displacing them, even at the cost of lathi charge, firing tear gas shells, rubber and also live bullets. If they are killed in the process, it doesn’t matter but the land has to be possessed. Fine.
Now the same state officials when dealing with the powerful industrial houses, their behavior is entire different. They bow down on knees before them as if they are god. The same policemen who fired live bullets on innocent farmers are in and around the industrialists in the name of providing security. What ever is demanded by the industrialists is offered them on platter, even without assessing its genuine needs. Even the deals are kept secret documents. This is the scenario every where. West Bengal is no exception. This has happened at many of the places including Gopalpur (Orissa) in 1988 3400 Acres land acquired for a steel plant by Tatas the plant which has never been established, farmers are on road. 403 hectares of prime farmland at Nagarnar (Chhattisgarh) from 303 families, who are starving, Kalinga Nagar (Orissa) has already gone in rough weathers and Nandigram (W. Bengal) yesterday and now it is the turn of SINGUR today before new battle zones may be at Lohandiguda (Chhattisgarh) may hit the head lines tomorrow.
When this is the scenario in front of us, what to expect from the states, though their first duty is towards its own people but in the hurry to ink the MoUs and strike a deal, farmers are ignored, tribals are pushed to corners, their lands are marked for “PUBLIC PURPOSES” to serve the “PRIVATE INTEREST” of an industrialist. Mockery is made of the constitutional provisions that safe guards the property rights of tribals. When the state fails to discharge their constitutional duties towards the people of the state and instead wages war against them, peace is bound to be disturbed, SINGUR is no exception.
Before it gets too late, the state actors should ensure that instead of waging war against its own people, instead of intruding in to their fundamental rights, they should deal with the industrialists the way they have dealt with the farmers so far. There is a test of war of nerves between poor farmers and politically and wealthy powerful Industrialist.
Pravin Patel
I have a few questions.
1. Can anyone say exactly how many anciliery unist will be set up inside the 997 acres?What are their names?what would be theor products?To who will the suppply apart from the tatas?
2. Once the Govt said Not even an inch inside the project area can be given back to the unwilling farmers according to law."Now how can they commit to give back 70 acres of land from inside the peoject?was not this land acquired by WBIDC?Does not it fall under the same acquisation law?
3. Why the deal between the Tatas and the Govt kept secret?After all the tax waiver given to the tatas has to be shouldered by the coppon public.Tata is a Limited Company and the shareholders have got every rights to ask for the documents for their projects in the pipeline as their money is involved.
4.The deal between Mamta and Budhdha.It said the Govt has decided to give back the unwilling farmers who have not taken compensation the maximum land from inside the project.Now the land for whose the compensation is not taken is 305 acres(according to the Govt).So if maximum of that land has to be returned,then atleast 160 acres should have been returned from inside the project.The Govt signed on it and is now denying it.Is not this a criminal offence?
Does anyone have answers for this?
Hello,
After reading and watching what's going on in Singur and other parts of WB from abroad, it seems to me that we lost the civility and becoming self destructive. So much argument without any solution. We need to look forward and not just find faults on everything just for the sake of argument. That's not progress. Arguments and protest can be in a civil manner.
Those who are young and those who forgot or chose to neglect our history, Bengal was in the forefront during India's independence, lead the country, was intellectual hub, and produced so many unselfish leaders for the goodness of the country. What are we doing now? Now, we lost all the respect because of dirty politics. Political and personal gain is taking precedence over what best for WB. We are being laughing matter to the rest of India and in abroad as well. Those who are arguing against the industry, read and understand what the economists are saying. Look forward. If TATA, one of the best in the world, goes from Singur/WB, who do you think will be loser?-- not Mamata or Buddha. The loser will be young generation of WB. You can argue later. Thank you.
If Mamata Banerjee says she wants TATA nano factory, but on her terms then she and her friends better open one factory, because for the 'nth' it does not matter how much she wants back and how much she will blessedly allow!!!
Tata nano project will not function as planned if more than 70 acres is given out from the ancilliary area, it will not be VIABLE, it will not be one lakh car anymore, which means the point of having the car is defeated!!
which means they have to move it a site where the price point is not defeated, which is away from Singur. which means that no matter how she sees it, SHE WILL BE THE RESPONSIBLE ONE IF TATAS MOVE OUT.
Get it dumbwits?????!!
When was ever an deal between a state govt and corporate firm published, in which state? If a govt has a mandate then they have the license for the next 5 years to do as they see fit. If people donot like it, they can throw them out in the next election. Why obstruct what they are doing? This way nothing will ever get done. And it will most certainly not deliver Mamata's purpose of winning elections, because she is doing nothing constructive,only obstructive. Only the state will suffer. Now if she think she can can threaten destruction and armtwist people to voting for her because she will not Left Front do anything withOUT problems, she will not have to wait long to get people's reactions. The Loksabha elections are coming up.
why do we have to know all the details of ancilliary units? Does a govt or Tata have to consult every citizen to set uP their factory? Why do every mashima, pishimas have to know the details?
if the govt first said no and now are willing to try to give 70 acres, it is only to solve the crisis. that is the maximum, and beyond that they should not. Period. Mamata Banerjee can jump in the ganges.
That also I think Govt. is being too accomodating to the most pathetic set of politicians Bengal has ever witnessed. I wish they did not.
Maximum is not literal, it is maximum possible. Ofcourse MB supporters donot want admit that. In the end it will all boil down to how many people believe Budhdhas version of maximum and how many believed Mamatas version of maximum..in the elections.
Mamata Banerjee should remember 'Chalakir dara kakhono mahot karjo shidhdho hoy na'. The way she is acting, the most she will be remembered as is an 'Enormous Bagha Tentul' in the history of Bengal.Nothing More.
How come MB is unable to remain friends with anyone for long?
How come she if often caught snapping back on camera at her right hand Partho Chaterjee? Because he understands but she does not?
Can any person ever trust MB again to do an domestic or international agreement with her in the future? What is the gaurantee that she will not distort the agreement?
How many of us does she represent?
Do the people behind MB who are clearly the conspiratory brains think they can do anything good? NO you cannot.
Pratima:
The law is not the problem here. The problem is all but 70 acres are leased to the Tatas. So WB Govt cannot take a decision on that unless the Tatas decide to scale down the operations. WB Govt can only decide on the 70 acres. And that is the maximum. The "maximum" refers to "maximum possible", even Mamata Banerjee knows that.
Surprisingly, no one from your camp answered my question on where TMC is being financed from.
While I write this Karnataka has already offered 1000 acres to Tata. And I am sure there won't be any nonsense there because people of Karnataka unlike bengalis are forward looking.
1. “We decided to locate the project in the State of West Bengal because our Chairman, Mr Ratan Tata, felt that other things remaining almost equal, we should give encouragement for reindustrialization in West Bengal which for decades had been starved of industrial activity. It was a leap of faith. Amongst several sites offered by the State Government, we chose the one in Singur for its locational advantage — link to Kolkata, airport, port, railway and highway.”
Please note “Reindustrialization in West Bengal” not “Industrialization” by Ravikant, MD, Tata Motors to Mamata Banerjee. By the way, Why WB needs reindustrialization not industrialization?
2. “In this connection, TML was considering locating the plant in the States of Uttarakhand/ Himachal Pradesh in view of the fiscal incentive package for the rapid industrialization being made available by the Govt. of India to new Industries in these States which has been attracting a large number of industries to these States.” --- Agreement between Tata Motors Ltd., Government of West Bengal and WBIDC
When India Govt. wants new industry in Uttarakhand/ Himachal Pradesh (Definitely there are certain reason), why West Bengal is inviting those industries in West Bengal? Are we not interested in development of those states, which are part of our country? West Bengal is very populated state, therefore it would be better for people of WB to migrate to those states and populate them like WB. Not only that, Why WB is not attracting foreign company to setup manufacturing plants at Balurghat (Airport, Railway Facility, with international border), North Bangal or any parts of North Bengal and/or Purulia, Bakura?
3. By the way, CPM is number 3 riches party (Sar-bo-hara) in India with Rs.110Cr net asset(See Anandabazer, 18 sept. 2008). How they make so much money like a capitalist person? Try to solve it and then ask, how Mamata and Medha get so much money.
I agree with Mr. Patel when he said "... It is the duty of the state to see that level playing field is made available to all and at par. Let the state notify putting complete ban on the registration of sale deeds of land in the entire area." In fact, in this and several other blogs I suggested in the past that Government should immediately impose ban on transferring farmland to other purposes within a 30 km radius around Singur to stop skyrocketing land price in adjoining areas. They should have done it long time before. Secondly, though the Left Front Government is not above criticism on various counts, it is also noteworthy that West Bengal under left rule has done remarkably better in the area of Land Reforms in comparison with other Indian states. I would request Mr. Patel and others to read a review by Professor V.K. Ramachandran published in The Hindu on 22nd August 2008 regarding Land Reforms in West Bengal. Here is the link:
http://www.hindu.com/2008/08/22/stories/
2008082255051100.htm
Finally, criticism without taking impartial consideration of both 'positive' and 'negative' role does not have any merit.
Mamta is a curse for Bengal. But for her by now industries would have lined up in Bengal. Buddha's policies are correct and should have been supported by all polical parties. If Mamta was genuinely concerned about the farmers, she would have agitated for adequate compensation and alternative livelihood.
Rest of India does not know the level of earnings of a Bengal farmer. In Singur majority of the lands are marshy, many times unfit for all kinds of cultivation. The holdings are limited and can barely meet their family needs. Good compensation with alternate livelihood would have been a blessings for them.
If Tata leaves Bengal today, even Singur will not forgive Mamta, what to talk about Bengal.
Mamta is a destructive leader, she can never do anything constructive. She can never become a chief minister of Bengal by this way, but surely invite doomsday for Bengal. The others who have gathered around Mamta are either publicity seekers or traditional left front enemies. But they are doing a great dis-service to Bengal.
Hello
I have some objections as per your comments.
1.You said why should every mashima pishima should know about the deal.Well,I am not talking about any mashima pishima.I am talking about the common man who would be bearing the pinch of the tax waiver given to tatas.If we have to bear the load on our shoulder,why shouldn't we claim to know everything?Why should we bear the pain for tata to have profit?
2.Tatas have filed an affidavit in the supreme court that "Tatas did not choose the land at singur.It was the WB Govt who has offered them this multicropped land".So the Tatas choosing this land has been denied by themselves.
I request you to think rationally and get some datas before posting any comments.
You are even not aware about the land type at Singur.It is not at all marshy.It is multicropped and was giving the farmers a good amount for their livelihood.What Mamta should have done is not at all the business of others.Let the 235 do whatever they can while the 30 does whatever they can.
SINGUR WAS ALWAYS ABOUT BRUISED EGOS , farmers are just pawns in this game.
its not about what 235s can do or 30s cannot do anymore, it is about what 8 crores can do.
Please donot forget that 8 crores of people are right now silently watching the moves and patiently waiting for 'their turn' at this game.
Thankfully, by the help of talk shows I could witness so many things in the TMC allies.
In Anuradha Deb PDS, it was pure revenge. In her speech, in her eyes, in her rage it was all about revenge against CPM. Not a drop of care for farmers was visible.
In Subroto Mukherjee, there was a clear and early indication of opportunism. When discussing about the optimum amount of compensation, he suggested ' What if TMC agrees to the amount, but I am not satisfied' No one was ever talking about what farmers might agree to. Do you think if I as an non politician have noticed it, others haven't? You think people are foolish? You tell them anything and they donot have a sense of judgement?
Pratima:
In Calcutta, 7% of people (yes, 7%) pay income tax. How many times have you agitated against the 93% that enjoy a free healthcare, education, etc.. How many times has your conscience revolted against those who enjoy free water from Calcutta Corporation and use that for bathing? Have you ever spoken against pujas (mostly spearheaded by TMC honchos) stealing electricity from cables, when CESC enjoys all the subsidies that come out of taxpayers' pockets?
When it comes to Tatas who are known to be socially responsible, suddenly your taxpayers' conscience wakes up..
No wonder, this land has gone to the dogs!
It is amazing tht Mr. Patel knows so many things but does not know the correct name of MD of Tata Steel. For your information his name is Mr. Mr B Muthuraman, not Mr. Mutthukrishnan or Mutturaman. Also though Tata Institute of Social Sciences is now a centrally funded deemed university, it was established by Sir Dorabji Tata Trust in 1936 and supported by the trust till 1962 or 1963 (as far as I can remember). The governing body of the institute still is being represented by three members of the trust. There is no doubt about the enormous contribution of this institute in the area of social causes. TATA group has several other pioneering contributions like cancer research and setting up a world class cancer hospital where common man without any discrimination are getting treatment for the dreaded disease. West Bengal is now getting a state of the art cancer hospital because of the TATA group. You may not like Mr. Ratan Tata but most sensible people should acknowledge that TATA group is a different type of business house; to deny it will be a shame.
Sudip and other friends.
None of you have tried to answer my questions.IN fact you have tried not to answer my questions staright.
Sudip,You have raised the point of the concious of tax payers.Who said you that the common tax payers(7%) never protested against the points you have mentioned?The point is there are so many issues to be protested against Govt(you yourself have raised atleast 4 points) that if we spend all our time in protesting about free water,Pujas,then there would be no time for us to do the job we do and in return there would be no Tax payment.But this doesnot justify that almost 1000 crores will be waived off including a loan of 200 crores) to a company like Tata who claims to be socially responsible.When Mr Subrata Mukherjee was mayor of Kolkata he recovered a huge amount of tax but later this present corporation is doing nothing.Who has protested against that?Did you?
to add on,let me say it is obvious that 8 crores peoploe are looking at this issue and are now realising how this Govt have bluffed them day after day.Yiou yourself have admitted that by saying only 7% shoulders the responsibility for the entire 100% just due to the sheer failure of this Govt.
I still hope that I would get the answers for my questions.Can you tell me exactly how many anciliery units are coming inside the project(Land cvcannot be returned inside the project area as anciliery units cannot be taken apart from the mother plant).HOw many number of anciliery units will be coming?what will be their products?whom they shall supply apart from the tatas?Does anyone have these answers?
Questions...
1..How many anciliery units will be set up inside the project area?(exact numbers).What will be their products?Whom would they supply apart from Tatas?
2.The govt has recently decided to give 70 acres of land back to the unwilling farmers from inside the project area(This land was also acquired by the Govt).Can any one say me that if according to the law,land once acquired cannot be returned back(not even an inch),how the Govt announced to give back this amount of land?
3..The deal between the Tatas and the Govt was done for land acquisation under "public purpose".If the project is for public purpose then why is being denied to be brought in front of the public?A Govt is representative of the common man and when the Govt is a prty in the deal,automatically the deal HAS to be transparent to the common man.The deal was not between two industrialists.
Can anyone answer these questions?
Question Number 4...
What is the exact amount of land needed for the anciliery units?(It will depend on the number of anciliery units..which neither the Govt nor the tatas have yet confirmed the public).
So how can the tatas and the Govt say that a minimum of 400 - 450 acres of land will be needed for the anciliery units when the number of units has not yet been finalised?
Pratima:
High Court has already given a ruling on using the land for public purpose. So I need not answer you. Also, who are we to decide on the modalities of setting up an automobile industry (Are you an automobile industry consultant from McKinsey)?
First of all, te land was acquired in the WRONG MANNER.. I will NOT hide my disappointment in the modus operandi of the acquisition. But lamenting over that will not solve anything here. As they say in the US, MOVE ON!!!
But if you are sceptical about the economic potential then you are simply being myopic or stupid. Lets face it, it is "street politics" as Amartya Sen rightly pointed out in:
http://telegraphindia.com/1080920/jsp/frontpage/story_9861298.jsp
Pratima wrote:
"to add on,let me say it is obvious that 8 crores peoploe are looking at this issue and are now realising how this Govt have bluffed them day after day."
-Just wait for the Lok Sabha elections and see how people are feeling..I will come to this blog after the result of Calcutta-South constituency is declared..
ON SINGUR:
1. No development work could be done in a democratic state if the government has no power of land acquisition.
2. It is impractical to take the views of all the affected people when the government thinks that land acquisition is necessary in public interest.
3. It is the constitutional set up of our country that when a government is voted for power it has some discretionary power to decide for the welfare of the state. Once a government comes into power there is no constitutional provision to take the views of each and every people regarding all the daily activities of the government. What at best can be done is removing the party from the power during the next election.
4. A government has to work within the aforesaid peripheral jurisdiction.
5. It has indeed been a mistake of the state government to divide the land losers into 'willing' and 'unwilling' groups.
6. Democracy itself can some times be misleading. Let us not forget the efforts of Mr. Sanjay Gandhi in the field of population control. People of India, 70% of whom are illiterate did not welcome the idea. But can we really ignore the curse of population explosion in India today.
7. Besides, the basic question - whether any public opinion was invited when the Constitution of India was framed?
8. Let us not mislead the already poor people of the state, who are unknowingly, obviously, due to their ignorance, sticking to agriculture as their single livelihood.
9. People, who are offering different comments against the Nano project are surely not from any agricultural background. The pains from poverty which a poor farmer has to face day by day cannot be realised by others.
NANO IS TRULY PEOPLE’S CAR
SUBSIDISED BY THE PEOPLE OF WEST BENGAL
DEFINATION OF DEVELOPMENT REDEFINED FOR SINGUR
NANO is now known as people’s LAKHTAKIA car that will be sold at Rs. One lakh each. Well, let us examine the facts only on the basis of the information that is available from the tripartite agreement that the Tatas have made with Government of West Bengal and West Bengal Industrial Development Corporation known as WBIDC.
It is being publicized that in order to stop Tatas from going to Uttaranchal or Himachal Pradesh, the extra ordinary favours are granted to Tatas. While it is the package of central government that is available to all and where government has nothing to pay from its pocket, here in Singur, it is the people of West Bengal who are to bear the costs. Unfortunately, there is large section of the people in the state who are still under the illusion that Tata Motors is a magic wand that will solve the problem of West Bengal’s unemployment problem and bring riches to the state. Let us look at it point wise to build our own opinion.
The said facilities are for all who fits in the criteria and not exclusively for the TATAs. But here it is exclusively for TATAs alone and no one else.
Every thing is done in the name of DEVELOPMENT. When Industries Department speaks about development or the state makes loud announcements, it says it will generate additional revenue for the state and employment opportunities will be created. Let us see the facts where we will see that the state government has redefined development, that is collect taxes and duties from the common man and hand it over to the house of Tatas all in the name of inviting a small investment of only Rs. 1500 Crore.
1. Granting lease of nearly 1000 Acres of land on the express way, just on the outskirts of Kolkatta, on a token amount only. The land is worth 600 Crore plus at present due to its proximity to both Railway as well as Airport.[Remember, at Utttranchal or Himachal, such facility it self would be a luxury]
2. Concessional power @ Rs. 3 per unit against the current rates of Rs. 4.15 per unit. Any increase in the tariff by more than 25 paisa per KwH, government should reimburse the same.
3. Rs. 200 Crore loaned to Tata Motors within two months of inking the MoU in May, 2006. This amount carries an interest at a laughably low rate of only 1% per annum. The amount is to be paid back in five equal installments beginning from 2027. By that time the amount could grew to Rs. 3000 Crore on its own if parked in fixed deposits. The decrease in the value of rupee would also be an additional loss to the state.
4. Government of West Bengal will reimburse all the money that Tata Motors pays as Central Excise Duties for 10 years.
5. Government of West Bengal will also reimburse all that money that the Tata Motors has to pay towards corporate income taxes in full for first five years and 30% for next five years. This will also run in to hundreds of crores.
6. All the Value Added Tax [VAT] and Central Sales Tax [CST] that will be collected by the Tata Motors from the customers who buy their cars, but will be paid only after 31st Year at a nominal name sake interest of 0.1% per Annum. This will also run in to several hundreds crores.
This can be described in very simple words that who ever buys any car and pays taxes on that, the money is retained by Tatas for thirty years and instead of depositing in the exchequer within 45 or 90 days, will deposit after 31 years. If the amount of money that the Tatas will retain during the thirty years, it will amount to huge sums of money to which 1500 crore will look pigmy.
7. The interest payable by the Tata Motors to build the project is also to be reimbursed by the state government.
The above facts are not made available any where else in the country. State has now a cheque book ready to pay Tatas regularly and a separate section is required to be set up to manage the affairs of receiving bills from tatas be it on payment of interest on the investment made by Tatas to construct their project at Singur, Electricity tariff account, Excise Duty account, Corporate Income Tax account etc.
The other section has to be set up at the office of the commercial taxes to compute the Value Added Tax and Central Sales Tax that the state would have to collect in the 31st year without any interest.
Truly speaking, Nano is a people’s car, heavily subsidized by the people of West Bengal. Any one buying a Nano from any where in India, people of West Bengal will pay for from their pocket the excise duty on behalf of the purchaser and will also pay income tax to Tatas to pay them the corporate income tax. Can we find a parallel of such facilities any where else in the world!
This is the redefined definition of development that the Industries Department of West Bengal has discovered. Great.
Pravin Patel.
Tribal,
Go and post your stupid mail to Dr. Amartya Sen. The man who got the Nobel prize for alternate development metrics has seen no issue with Singur. Why don't you take up your brainwashed, hackneyed theories with him?
Mr. Patel gives lots of figures in support of his views. However, does he read others seriously? I am not sure. Has he read the article in Hindu which I mentioned in my earlier post? Probably, no. Because, he has to stick to his own logic and does not care that there may be different views. He said that one NANO cannot solve all problems in West Bengal, as if, the supporters of the small car project claimed that 'it will'. He knows many things, but does not know the correct name of MD of Tata Steel. He referred the initiative of AMUL in Gujrat. AMUL is a cooperative initiative and has been possible because of the supports from individual experts like Dr. Verghese Kurien, Mr. H.M. Dalaya and others. It is not a Government initiative. There is no bar if Mr. Patel takes such an initiative; if fact, he will be remembered for his contribution for long time to come. AMUL is of course a global example; but has it been able to solve all other problems of Gujarat like the communal issues? What about the industrial scenario in Gujrat? Latest BIFR report says: 504 registered cases, net worth Rs.7364.49 crores, accumulated loss Rs.16151.17, affected workforce 215023. He also referred Maharashtra. BIFR report says: 1076 registered cases, net worth Rs.16547.23, accumulated loss 29429.03, affected workforce 331043. What about the cotton farmers in Maharashtra? In the Vidarbha region more than 2300 farmers committed suicide from 2000 to 2006. Why? If you are a truly serious reader and also a true activist you may read the report from Indian Journal of Psychiatry online (hope, no one will say that the physicians' organization is CPIM controlled!. The link >
http://www.indianjpsychiatry.org/
article.asp?issn=0019-5545;
year=2008;volume=50;issue=2;
spage=124;epage=127;
aulast=Behere
About West Bengal BIFR says: 392 registered cases, net worth Rs.9164.26, accumulated loss Rs.17272.84 crores, affected workforce 615496. Definitely not a good scenario, we all agree; Nobody is saying that West Bengal is better than Gujrat or Maharashtra in all respects. But is it too much worse? At least, we do not have serious communal issues threatening lives of common man, we do not have coffin-load of suiciding farmers. We do not have vandals destroying churches. Shall we be so partisan not to praise the present government for its effort to somehow control the situation?
Finally, may I request Mr. Patel and others who are crying for farmers in Singur to shed a few drops of tears for the cotton farmers of Maharashtra; they are also human being.
I am surprised ordinary people are just letting Mamata Banerjee get away with this one.
She will try and block every project from now on based on some pretext.
If people just wait and want industrialisation to fall on its platter, it never will. By the look of things, people themselves HAVE TO RESCUE industrialisation from the hoodlums.
Shilpo Biplob anyone?
Pratima, enjoy your joy ride on Nano while you can. But save your Hawaii chappals for you will need them soon.
TMC -TOTAL MORAL CORRUPTION
Sudip and others.
As expected,you didnot even answer to any of my questions.The questions were straight and direct.But as you do not have any answers(that you too know very well),didnot dare to try and answer those.
Sudip,You said,who am I to coment on an automobile industry.Well,I maynot be an automobile expert but the questions I asked were simple mathametics.You do not need to be an expert to understand the figures or to answer my questions.It is just because you are supporting a Hypocrite Govt who tries to pass way the questions and do not have proper datas,you could not answer my questions.
It has been proved now to others that no one knows how many anciliery units are coming.Without knowing the figures,how the CM is commiting about number of jobs(Though in the package which was advertised,it was only mentioned that the Govt will try and help to get jobs but no commitments were given).Surprisingly,a few media group is also echoing this Hypocrite Govt.If the number of anciliery units are not known then the total projected investment is also not known.
It is clear now that a few brainwashed people like you have lost their own thinking capacity and logic sense and have sold the spine to these industrialists(Just as the Govt did by doing "secret trade").That is the reason who ever tries to use their own logic sense becomes a follower of Mamta to you people.
Pratima wrote:
"I asked were simple mathametics"
-So Dr Amartya Sen, Dr. Swaminathan and Dr. Ashok Mitra do not understand this "simple mathematics"?
Now, that's called a straight question.
Pratima, Tribal and others..
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First of all, I unequivocally condemn the way the land was taken. However that does not contradict my overall stance that industrialization would improve the overall quality of life because it ensures a higher macroeconomic potential (Net income, etc).
My problem with you guys is that by opposing this at this juncture you are implicitly encouraging a terrorist. Mamata Banerjee's modus operandi is no different from an airplane hijacker. Today it may seem a just cause to you, but there is no guarantee that this will not be repeated for something else. And that is dangerous for the progress of any country!!
She should be eliminated not because of the cause she is fighting for (though that's debatable) but because her mode of politics is dangerous and detrimental to the cause of any civil society. I am not brainwashed, you guys are. It is amazing that any person who can write two lines of decent English gets conned by this abominable gimmick-monger who is committing the preposterous act of even politicizing a tragic death (that of Rizwanur).
Sudip
Once again you have avaoided my questions.You have given a few names like Amartya Sen.I did not get a chance to ask the number of anciliery units to him.So how does the question of him answering my questions arise here?
You have also written about economic conditions.Well,everyone is talking about qualitative terms.Why cann't we get some datas in quantitative terms?
You have also raised the issue of Rizwanur.Well,Rizwanur was forced to commit suicide(according to the CBI and the court has also accepted it) and the Todi's have to get the punishment.This Govt is desperate to save them instead of backing the family who lost their son.CM himself commited about "insaaf" and now his Govt is trying to save the Todis.These incidents have made it very clear to the entire state what a Hypocrite Govt this is.
Answers to Pratima:
1. 55
Rest two questions are irrelevant – not sure what you want to derive from there.
Unless you are baptized by TMC’s street politics, you can very well understand that we are expecting an integrated Automobile cluster to come up at Singur; Potentials & possibilities will be only realized when it is operational.
2. Regarding 70 acres:
Either you do not follow or not willing to follow the versions coming out from different corners just not from the TMC camp.
70 acres will be used for land based rehabilitation, which essentially means market complex distributed among the people who lost their lands, even if someone gets land for agriculture it will on lease basis. Which doesn’t violate the law of the land.
3. Regarding the Agreement:
Should we not bother about the portion of the agreement which depicts the concessions given by the Govt. to Tata’s … I believe which is already revealed. I do not understand why people need to know everything if not relevant to them? Do you have any vested political interest? If yes then you have all rights to cry for that, but end of the day every civilized citizen of this country should abide by the Law, so why don’t we wait for the verdict of HC on this.
NOW, my question to you, do you want the factory to come up at Singur or not, if yes then stop talking like her… She is a curse for Bengal.
Pratima:
Whether Rizwanur was forced to commit suicide is irrelevant. What is relevant though, is whether some political party should parade his whole family in public for the rest of their lives to generate political mileage, especially within a specific community. This is called "Street side politics" of the cheapest kind.
Secondly, to your question on ancillary units, honestly I don't know. But the reason I quoted eminent economists is that "we do not need to know the number of trees as long as we know the forest". The economists (or for that matter any sensible person) can see the big picture (the forest) and hence need not bother about the number of trees (the ancillary units). Whether it gives jobs to 6000 or 6 million is also irrelevant. The condition of farmers all over India is abysmal. Planned migration of farmers to industrial life can only make it better. That has worked successfully in the US, in China and elsewhere and is backed by strong economic theories.
Pratima:
Whether Rizwanur was forced to commit suicide is irrelevant. What is relevant though, is whether some political party should parade his whole family in public for the rest of their lives to generate political mileage, especially within a specific community. This is called "Street side politics" of the cheapest kind.
Secondly, to your question on ancillary units, honestly I don't know. But the reason I quoted eminent economists is that "we do not need to know the number of trees as long as we know the forest". The economists (or for that matter any sensible person) can see the big picture (the forest) and hence need not bother about the number of trees (the ancillary units). Whether it gives jobs to 6000 or 6 million is also irrelevant. The condition of farmers all over India is abysmal. Planned migration of farmers to industrial life can only make it better. That has worked successfully in the US, in China and elsewhere and is backed by strong economic theories.
Such migration will always cause some hardships and some bloodshed, but that has to be taken into stride for the greater cause. That has happened and will happen throughout history and you and me and a few Naxalites cannot reverse that.
i as a bengali want to know why Mamata Banerjee is not making the Raj Bhavan agreement karjokor 'maane operationall' 'maane impleemennt'
Govt has offered a maximum of 70acres of land as per agreement, and she promised to accept the initiative for the progress of agriculture, industry and ancilliary. What she is suggesting (hundreds of acres) is neither progressing agriculture not industry and ancilliary. She should immediately withdraw her stupid headbanging agitation
The end is almost near; Tata Motors is probably going to pull out of Singur. It is a time for preparation of the jubilation. A lady on the warpath has almost won her battle. She does not care whether TATA stays here or not. The media called her fight as 'mobocracy' (today's Telegraph). It does not matter to her because the media is controlled by TATA and CPIM. During the last 30 years the Left Front Government destroyed the industries and now they are destroying the agriculture. She with the help of some non-political (???) activists has been able to thwart the sinister move of the hypocrite government. She is the saviour of farmers.
In this blog, we found lots of questions. Questioning is good,if someone wants to know the truth. National Sample Survey Organisation (NSSO) is a Government of India controlled organisation. The Situation Assessment Survey of Farmers Report 2003 released by the organisation states: " Half the farmers in the country were indebted and much of the indebtedness was due to agricultural expenses; the inequality of income between the rural and urban households, and between the cultivators and non-cultivators was growing; the monthly per capita consumer expenditure of about three-fourths of the farmers was less than Rs 615. Even Punjab, which reaped maximum benefits of the Green Revolution of the 1980s, is facing a grave agrarian crisis. The Punjab farmer today leads the country in rural indebtedness. Each Punjab farmer has a debt of Rs 41,576 against the national average of Rs 12,505. There have also been some instances of suicides by farmers in the State."
In an earlier post Mr. Patel, the knowledgeable activist, advised the Government to take example from Maharashtra. Let us examine the merit of his advice.
Mr. P. Sainath is the winner of the Ramon Magsaysay award 2007 for Journalism, Literature, and Creative Communication Arts. He also received A.H. Boerma Award in 2001, for his contributions in changing the nature of the development debate on food, hunger and rural development in the Indian media. Mr. Sainath commented in one of his article: "Close to 150,000 Indian farmers committed suicide in nine years from 1997 to 2005, official data show. While farm suicides have occurred in many States, nearly two thirds of these deaths are concentrated in five States where just a third of the country's population lives...The five worst-hit States are Maharashtra, Andhra Pradesh, Karnataka, Madhya Pradesh (including Chattisgarh) and Kerala. Of these States, only Kerala showed no sustained increase in the number of yearly farm suicides over this period. That's mainly because of a decline after 2003 which was that State's worst year. Maharashtra, for which data exists from 1995, is by far the worst state in the country. Farm suicides there more than trebled from 1083 in 1995 to 3926 in 2005...Suicides as a whole rose nationally in the 1997-2005 period. But the rate of increase in farm suicides was far higher than the rate of increase in suicides by non-farmers. In the Big Four States of Maharashtra, AP, Karnataka and MP, the percentage increases in farm suicides were more than double the increase in non-farm suicides in this period. While suicides by non-farmers went up by 23 per cent in the Big Four States, farmers' suicides went up 52 per cent. Indeed, the Big Four States might be termed the Suicide SEZ or 'Special Elimination Zone' for farmers this past decade. In 1997 these States accounted for 53 per cent, or just over half of all farmers' suicides in the country. By 2005, that figure was 64 per cent. That is, in less than a decade, their share of farm suicides, already disproportionately high, leapt to nearly two-thirds...These and other grim findings emerge from a comprehensive study of official data on farm suicides by Prof. K Nagaraj of the Madras Institute of Development Studies (MIDS). The data analysed by Prof. Nagaraj are drawn from the various issues of Accidental Deaths and Suicides in India. This is a publication of the National Crime Records Bureau (NCRB), Ministry of Home Affairs, Government of India. The period covered by the study is from 1997-2005...In 2005, the Big Four or 'Suicide SEZ' States accounted for 43.9 per cent of all suicides and 64.0 per cent of all farm suicides in the country. By contrast, a group of States with the highest general suicide rates - including Tamilnadu, Kerala, West Bengal, Tripura, and Puducherry - accounted for 20.5 per cent of farm suicides in India. "Their share of both total suicides and of farmers' suicides declined between 1997 and 2005 even as that of the Big Four steadily rose," points out Professor Nagaraj."
The National Agricultural Policy (2000) stated that "farming had become a relatively unremunerative profession due to a generally unfavourable price regime and low value addition, causing abandoning of farming and increasing migration to the urban areas. The situation is likely to be exacerbated further in the wake of agricultural trade being integrated in the global system."
TATA will leave Singur. Soon after, there will be a clear picture about who is benefitted. Those who are still in doubt will also know who is hypocrite. It may be the best of times or it may be the worst of times. Unfortunately, in case of the second, the jubilant MB, BM with their handful of supporters will just vanish from the scene in search of another killing field.
Absoutely true Anbas.
People can see the fakeness and desparation of Mamata's Mafias. She did not have much to loose when she started, so she did not care how it hurts her, her enemies or her state.
Most of them are unedicated. Mamata herself is childless. She wins her bread from politics. What will she understand about concerns about the future of the Bengal kids?
By ensuring the TATA pull out she will hurt the prospects of the state much more than she can hurt CPM. She probably started this by thinking that hurting CPM is hurting the state and she wanted to attack the people of the state and their political choices.
Maybe in 5 yrs when Singur is nothing but a skeleton, and the world sees the success of a Nano, and Nano brings glory to another state that people in those villages will realise that they lost an opportunity to be a part from it. Because some idiots wanted to have a bigger say in how to run a business, something they donot have a clue about.
But yes, by then Mamata, and Madan Mitra and others will be on to draw blood the Next Big Plunder in the name of politics. POLITICAL VAMPIRES.
http://www.cplash.com/post/Did-you-see-this-picture-before758.html
The Tata plant will not happen is
MB does not compromise with Govt. terms.
If she does not compromise complete with the current offer package then Mamata Banerjee and her pack of wolves was and is and will be be responsible for the closure of Nano Plant in Singur.
Deb
Let me comment on your post.
You have mentioned that first two questions are irrelevent.Can you tell me why this is irrelevent?When this whole project has been depicted as "PUBLIC PURPOSE",every details of this project is rellevent to PUBLIC.The tax waiver given to Tata by the Govt will be ultimately borne by the common man in form of increased taxes.So it very much evident that the common man or the PUBLIC is involved in this whole project and they have every rights to know the datas.
2.You have admitted that 70 acres will be given to the farmers for land rehabilation.So this is possible.Now my question is if 70 acres is possible to give for land rehabilitation,why not 270 acres?I hope that Law did not specify any quantity.Is it because that the Tatas have objetion of giving any extra land?
3.Contract whatever portion has been released is very dangourous.Why the Govt gives soft loan of 200 crores to Tatas?Where does this money come from ?Isn't it from the public's pocket?so why public will not have the right to question?
The problem is that the entire project is not at all transparent and this gives chance to people like Mamata Bannerjee to make hue and cries about all this.Why transperency will not be maintained when the Tatas themself ask for transperency?
'1)You have admitted that 70 acres will be given to the farmers for land rehabilation.So this is possible.Now my question is if 70 acres is possible to give for land rehabilitation,why not 270 acres?'
I will attempt to explain this for the umpteenth time for only one reason..for my state
Now, 270 acres is not possible because that 270 acres is required to put ancilliary units...right in that spot and not somewhere else.
Because, everystep of the manufacturing costs something. A company then adds up the total cost of making and then decides the cost of selling.
If the ancilliaries are shifted even 500 metres further away, it will push up the cost of making the car. That will push up the cost of selling it.
Now the whole point of making Nano is its One Lakh price.
Giving away 270 acres from project area will mean relocating ancilliaries to somewhere else which push One Lakh price to One Lakh 30 thousand or more. What should Tata want to make a 1.3 Lakh car when it wants to make 1 Lakh car.
If in Singur Mamata makes sure they can only make a 1.3 Lakh car, then they will move to a place there is no Mamata, where they will be able to make a 1 Lakh car. Simple!
40 acres out of 70 acres that Govt is offering was from WBIDC project within that areas, Other 30 acres is from the Lake /Water Feature which they should not have offered. CM went out of his way to help Mamatas demands as much as he can.
Bhashye Ghee Dhallam Bodhoy!
Link to show a picture of Motor Factory in Chennai
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Soft Loan is also helping Tata keep the price low. Now before you scream blue murder!!
WB govt offered soft loans to compete with offers from other states who all want Nano project. Infact other states are now offering even better offers to TATA that will help them to keep the initial set up cost low, to ensure 1 Lakh price.
If a state pitches itself as an industrial location, which one do you think will sell to an industrialist, the cheaper priced one or the more dearer one?
Do you buy a same quality saree from the shop that sells it for more (other state shop) or the one who sells it for less (WB shop)? Why is it selling for less? because it wants your business? What will it do with your money. Most probably put in orders with the tanties for two more sarees. So the money you pay to the shop will reach the tanties.
But what if people come and scream and close the WB shop. You will buy from the other state shop. What will happen to the WB shop and WB tanties??????? Where will they get money from? The screaming people who closed will dissapear, but the tanties will starve.
I am tired!! of explaining . Uffff!
Then again, may be I should not bother and let all of you fight and kill the Singur project, the farmers, the families, the children, the state.
You did not answer any question of mine.You once again said that other stares are offering Tatas more facilities.Can you show me any one incident where the state Govt have offered more than that of WB?Give me any one example and datas.
Secondly you admitted just to keep the price of the car within 1 lakh anciliery units cannot be shifted.Firstly,how many anciliery units are coming no one knows.If initially 60 units were planned and 400 acres were kept for them,presently if 30 are coming them 200 acres for the 30 units who are not coming will be useless.Why cann't that land be given back?
Thirdly,you said to keep the price of the car within 1 lakh,these units cannot be relocated.So what if the the Tatas leave bengal?The entire 1500 crores will be a loss to them.So won't that increase their cost of the car?So is it possible for them to leave bengal and make the cost of the car shoot beyond 1 lakh?If that is not possible then why threaten to leave?If they are so concerned about increased cost for relocatiing anciliery units(It cannot be more than 1500 crores) then can you say why are they not concerened about making a loss of 1500 crores by leaving bengal?Can they really afford it?
Pratima,
Are you at Singur getting ready for the next phase of agitation, or writing all this from your laptop in an ac room ? Amazing logic...
You know Pratima...
Actually 997 acres can be returned.. Why don't we demand for that?
Returning 230 or 997 don’t make much difference.
What is the debate here? Nano factory or returning land?
Just to clarify 55 anciliery units are planned and alloted land for them is 290 acres, so it is not 400 acres, (you are talking like Mamata !!) Out of 55 units 33 either already completed or on the verge of completion of their construction works, rest units were about to start their construction when this great "Sattagrahya" started. So where you are getting 200 acres?
And why you want land inside the project area? You can very well demand land outside.. ??
I am sure no logic can make you understand until you try for that...
Things are simple and will become simpler when they decide to move out... We will continue our blog... logic & counter logic ... arguments & time will pass...
Mathematics is a fascinating subject; whatever hard you try, 2 plus 2 always equals to 4. The only way to make it 3 or 5 or any other number except 4 needs an error. Algebra, is also a puzzling branch of mathematics.
For example, take three variables a (=3), b(=2) and c (=0)
Therefore ac = bc
Now if you cut off 'c' from both sides (according to Algebraic principle)
a = b
Therefore 3 = 2
I hope no one will think that I am here to give a lecture on mathematics. In fact, I am too disgusted with mathematics. Two years ago I was a math lover; now I sincerely want to throw all my math books to dustbin. Let me explain the reason of my sudden apathy. R. K. Dutta is a senior agricultural scientist who has lots of experience in the Singur area. According to Mr. Dutta there are 2 numbers - 400 acres and 2251 unwilling farmers (as per MB). Now if these 400 acres are distributed among these 2251 farmers then the average holding size will be 0.1778 acre. On realistic count net annual income per acre in Singur area - Rs.25,000 and in a dream situation the it may rise up to Rs.50000 per acre. Hence, for 0.1778 acre of land a farmer's net profit is Rs.4440 (realistic) i.e. Rs. 370 per month and in a dream situation it may rise up to Rs.8880 i.e. Rs.740 per month. For a family size of three, per capita per month will be Rs 123.33 and Rs.246.66 respectively. Previously, I had a belief that mathematics can explain every bit of economics but this time I do not get any help from it as to how even with an income of Rs.740 per month the farmer family will be able to maintain a basic quality of life.
There is another puzzle for me: next year is election year. Hence for obvious reasons Government of India announced a quantum of Rupees 60000 crores as a one-time farm loan waiver with a cut off mark of 2 acres. Incidentally, these are institutional loans not loans from money lenders. Now, how many farmers will be truly benefitted and who will subsidize this huge write off? Loans given by money lenders are far ahead than institutional loans; what will happen to those farmers who have taken loan from them?
Mathematics has no answer for these puzzles; it is good for nothing. I hate it.
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